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Title: Unknown acid mark on Moser (?) decanter
Post by: dirk. on June 15, 2013, 06:59:14 PM
Hi,

I bought what I thought was a Moser decanter, designed by Rudolf Eschler.
Moser (http://www.google.de/imgres?um=1&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=666&hl=de&tbm=isch&tbnid=WAOwAkvV4I5CWM:&imgrefurl=http://www.moser-glass.com/en/c/products/crystal-gifts/gifts-for-men/%3Forder%3Dpriority%26limit%3D54%26order_submit%3Dfiltrovat&docid=7NodWP8dRZ9KAM&imgurl=http://www.moser-glass.com/files/photos/m/e/ed494a69bb33574e45bc46496ad04e46bfbd1547.jpg&w=169&h=215&ei=dLi8UZnmCMOQtAbw0IDgDg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=105&vpy=362&dur=1563&hovh=172&hovw=135&tx=115&ty=131&page=3&tbnh=145&tbnw=118&start=76&ndsp=47&ved=1t:429,r:95,s:0,i:374)
It does however have a strange acid mark of a globus cruciger. Do you know if this is
a mark used by Moser?

Dirk
Title: Re: Unknown acid mark on Moser (?) decanter
Post by: dirk. on June 16, 2013, 07:25:04 AM
I´ve also mailed Moser´s customer service. Let´s see...  :)
Title: Re: Unknown acid mark on Moser (?) decanter
Post by: paradisetrader on June 16, 2013, 05:41:37 PM
Acid stamp reminds me of the LOBMEYER logo.
Title: Re: Unknown acid mark on Moser (?) decanter
Post by: bOBA on June 16, 2013, 05:49:41 PM
Moser had a system for a while of artist specific cartouches which they can identify, if it is theirs, which it probably is. Some of them were linked to the name, I remember one tree species surname had an acid etched emblem of the leaf...


Robert
Title: Re: Unknown acid mark on Moser (?) decanter
Post by: dirk. on June 16, 2013, 08:37:53 PM
Thank you, both.  :) Quite interested now what Moser will say.
Title: Re: Unknown acid mark on Moser (?) decanter
Post by: dirk. on June 17, 2013, 10:45:25 AM
Answer´s there already...
This mark has been in use from 1941-45 during german occupation.
I was a bit surprised because the decanter is in such a great condition with close to zero wear and all six glasses included.
They send me a whole overview of all Moser marks and their time-frame. I´ll ask if it would be possible to post them here
for further reference.   :)
Title: Re: Unknown acid mark on Moser (?) decanter
Post by: bOBA on June 17, 2013, 11:24:33 AM
Great news Dirk,
Good collectable colour as well. Do you know what this symbol represents? Is it a sceptre or a mix of Moser letters?

nice to have a rock solid attribution, this can be problematic with Moser at times,
so very good news.

Robert
Title: Re: Unknown acid mark on Moser (?) decanter
Post by: dirk. on June 17, 2013, 07:36:44 PM
Yep, glad to have something so solid.
I´m pretty sure the symbol is a globus cruciger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globus_cruciger).
 :)
Title: Re: Unknown acid mark on Moser (?) decanter
Post by: bOBA on June 17, 2013, 08:05:12 PM
I was thinking of orb and sceptre I think, which quite often go together in England. The orb is the usual word for a globus cruciger in England (I think!). An oddly hugely symbolic Christian item for a glassworks to choose. I think you may be right. We need a specifically Moser collector on GMB to explain why this was chosen, the war seems to have perhaps led to it being used.... A lovely set with a wonderfully precise attribution, time-wise.

Robert
Title: Re: Unknown acid mark on Moser (?) decanter
Post by: dirk. on June 17, 2013, 08:09:16 PM
Thinking along that line, too. Especially when you know the german term for it is ´Reichsapfel´.  :-\
Title: Re: Unknown acid mark on Moser (?) decanter
Post by: dirk. on June 18, 2013, 08:55:54 PM
Wow, I´ve asked an additional question and they agreed. We will be able to add Moser´s overview of their
official brand marks to our reference section. Many thanks!
Title: Re: Unknown acid mark on Moser (?) decanter
Post by: flying free on June 18, 2013, 11:24:25 PM
Well done Dirk.  That's wonderful.  And thanks to Moser as well.  They have always been extremely helpful and send long detailed replies when I've emailed them for information.
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