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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: bat20 on July 04, 2013, 11:12:58 AM
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Hello again!i found this glass the other day and it looked very different from the others on the shelf,for a start it has a grey colour, a kind of dry rim ,alot of bubbles and i think a bit of black stuff shown on the photo showing the fluting.It would be great to know the date of it..many thanks
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despite your comments about colour, I don't think this is early i.e. not prior to about 1860 - 70............earlier tumblers tended to be very wide for their height. You don't comment as to whether the fluting is cut or moulded - and I can't really see if hidden up under the foot there is a broken pontil or not, although must admit the shape/design of the foot cavity seems a little unusual.............this might be from a variety of sources within Europe. Fluting of some description, on the lower half of the glass, has been one of the most common forms of decoration on tumblers - cut or moulded, and on later C19 examples that have been hand blown they often have most of the base taken up with a shallow ground/polished depression where the pontil scar has been removed. Dimensions of the glass can be helpful when trying to date pieces - also, is this soda glass, or does it ring well to indicate lead glass?
Being of a utilitarian nature, tumblers can be found often with inclusions of small stones or dirt.
Later Victorian glasses were made in a greater range of sizes.............if you can get your hands on a copy of Silber & Fleming, you'll see the very wide range of tumbler sizes, many showing cut or moulded fluting similar to your one.
If you don't have a snapped pontil under the base, then this may well be a machine moulded example.
But they are great things to collect - don't take up much space - full of history - and can be used. :)
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"Dansk Glas" is another wonderful resource as everything there has been so neatly recorded and everything can be dated. Tumblers like these were most in evidence in the 1880s, earlier examples from the 1850s had straighter sides.
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We seem to be very poorly off in the U.K. for text books solely on tumblers - unless I've missed them. Can really only think of John A. Brooks small 32 page pamphlet, which obviously not very comprehensive. Unless people know of others.
I should have added that S. & F. were importers and exporters, and doubtless a proportion of their wares (including the glass) came from the Continent - possibly some from what would then have been Bohemia.
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thanks for the replies and information very helpfull, its 6.5 cm wide and 12cm ht,the fluting i think is cut because it's very slightly matt and you can just see minute lines running down the each of the flutes,they also start at different heights,the pontil is smooth and about 1 cm deep and dips down a bit on one side and if any of this is any help the bottom of the inside does the same...thanks again,it's got character and i'd love to use it..
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they're perfect for pastis.
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Pastis tomate ahh,reminds me of back packing around s.France in my youth,anyway forgot to say it has no ring.Holding it up to the light at the right angle you can just make out 3 uniform rings running down to about 10mm below the rim,would this be something to do with the making process,they a very faint though.Thanks again i did find some very similar ones on the net from about the dates given,i want to find more!