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Title: Latest buy, Ercole Barovier or Napoleone Martinuzzi?
Post by: chuggy on May 02, 2006, 04:49:57 PM: Just had to share my latest buy which arrived today and I think is super, but he brings a problem with him. Initially I though he was probably by Martinuzzi, but the more I look at him and with the eyes and ears, I'm now convincing mysely he's by Barovier. Time for a second opinion, Laura, Javier or someone HELP!!!!

http://i3.tinypic.com/x1ynmu.jpg

Paul
Title: Latest buy, Ercole Barovier or Napoleone Martinuzzi?
Post by: RAY on May 02, 2006, 06:08:46 PM: what is it? a long leged rat
Title: Latest buy, Ercole Barovier or Napoleone Martinuzzi?
Post by: chuggy on May 02, 2006, 06:24:40 PM: Thanks Ray it's a stylised greyhound, bloomin long legged rats you have up there.
Paul
Title: Latest buy, Ercole Barovier or Napoleone Martinuzzi?
Post by: chuggy on May 02, 2006, 06:34:02 PM: The overall shape is quite well documented and I've also seen an example in amber glass by Flavio Poli for IVAM from around 1930/31 and I'm pretty sure this one dates from a similar time.
Paul
Title: Latest buy, Ercole Barovier or Napoleone Martinuzzi?
Post by: chuggy on May 02, 2006, 07:29:36 PM: Well I did say in a posting on the glass board that I admit to somewhat dubious taste, but I absolutely love this and if I'm right it's a very rare piece, not that I'll ever sell it, it's going into my menagerie.
Paul
Title: Latest buy, Ercole Barovier or Napoleone Martinuzzi?
Post by: Pip on May 03, 2006, 05:55:58 PM: Paul, you're not the only one with dodgy taste around here - my house is stuffed full of things that other people describe as 'different' or 'unusual' - when I know what they really want to say is 'urgh' LOL Suffice to say I like your greyhound/rat cross thingummyjig too.
Title: Latest buy, Ercole Barovier or Napoleone Martinuzzi?
Post by: svazzo on May 03, 2006, 07:41:54 PM: Hi Paul,
I think the piece is really nice.
For me the more unusual the better :)
I was thinking of bidding on it myself!

On the maker, I thought the piece being lattimo and gold, that it could be a Barovier Seguso Ferro piece. I've been told that the company made similar items to Poli, Toso, Martinuzzi, etc. while they were in business.
Thats my guess.
Javier
Title: Latest buy, Ercole Barovier or Napoleone Martinuzzi?
Post by: chuggy on May 03, 2006, 07:53:31 PM: Thanks Javier I've noticed that virtually all the Martinuzzi pieces have whire eyes, whereas the Barovier examples almost all have black eyes and in the book "Animals in Glass" there is a bear by Barovier item no 38 that looks strikingly similar albeit with applied fur to the legs.
Paul
Title: Latest buy, Ercole Barovier or Napoleone Martinuzzi?
Post by: Pip on May 03, 2006, 09:11:27 PM: Paul, can I ask you how big it is? I've not really looked at this type of thing before and I'm interested in keeping my eyes open for them now I've seen your crazy dog. It's hard to tell how big it is though from the picture.
Title: Latest buy, Ercole Barovier or Napoleone Martinuzzi?
Post by: chuggy on May 04, 2006, 06:21:09 AM: It's 9 inches from nose to tail and a deceptively heavy, but that's normal for lattimo pieces.

Paul
Title: Latest buy, Ercole Barovier or Napoleone Martinuzzi?
Post by: Lustrousstone on May 04, 2006, 06:43:01 AM: Sorry but I'm in the rat camp as well :oops: :lol: :lol:

I've just looked up lattimo in Ivo's book, with my magnifying glass :evil: :evil: so I know what it is, but what makes it heavy?
Title: Latest buy, Ercole Barovier or Napoleone Martinuzzi?
Post by: Frank on May 04, 2006, 07:45:04 PM: But it is sweet and very nicely modelled in a naïve way.
Title: Latest buy, Ercole Barovier or Napoleone Martinuzzi?
Post by: chuggy on May 05, 2006, 04:49:45 PM: Here's another piccy of the much maligned greyhound.

http://i2.tinypic.com/x6h3cg.jpg

Paul
Title: Latest buy, Ercole Barovier or Napoleone Martinuzzi?
Post by: chuggy on May 06, 2006, 03:13:53 PM: I've had opinions from a couple of collectors in Italy whose opinions I value and both agree with my thoughts and Laura's opinion also, that he is almost certainly by Ercole Barovier from around 1931/33, and quite a rare and valuable piece.
I might even register the breed of Rathounds and send him to Crufts next year.
Paul
Title: Re: Latest buy, Ercole Barovier or Napoleone Martinuzzi?
Post by: bidda on November 20, 2007, 02:29:34 PM: just hopping randomly through past posts and found this one. what a simply charming dog! i think he's precious. hope he still holds a happy place among your collection... of course, if you have grown tired of him, i'm happy to dog-sit anytime ;D

bidda
Title: Re: Latest buy, Ercole Barovier or Napoleone Martinuzzi?
Post by: josordoni on November 20, 2007, 03:38:29 PM: Quote from: Lustrousstone on May 04, 2006, 06:43:01 AM
Sorry but I'm in the rat camp as well :oops: :lol: :lol:

I've just looked up lattimo in Ivo's book, with my magnifying glass :evil: :evil: so I know what it is, but what makes it heavy?
And I'm just bumping Christine's question - what does make Lattimo heavier than normal glass?
Title: Re: Latest buy, Ercole Barovier or Napoleone Martinuzzi?
Post by: johnphilip on November 20, 2007, 10:00:18 PM: Hi Back again, i am sure i have a picture of this in one of my books,wait for it here we go again, in the morning i will try to find it as i am just finishing a nice bottle of wine,my thoughts are with N Martinuzzi for Venini but could be Barovier. And i am not under the affluance of incahol tho many theople may pink i am.now you try saying that the right way.I CANT BELIEVE IT spell check just passed this but for Martinuzzi.
Title: Re: Latest buy, Ercole Barovier or Napoleone Martinuzzi?
Post by: chuggy on November 21, 2007, 07:57:05 AM: When I moved to Crete he found a new home and has gone back to the country of his birth where he now resides in a private collection. Was confirmed by the purchaser as Barovier and as he owns 6 other animals from the same series quite happy he is spot on with his ID.
Back in UK for a couple of weeks, but heaven knows why with this weather, but still got the bug and around auctions and boots most days, blooming addictive and after weeks fishing in the sun I get with drawal symptoms.
Paul