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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: heartofsklo on July 12, 2013, 07:48:13 PM
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Mottled glass vase with an unusual shaped top, made up of yellow, green and blue glass. It measures 26cm tall and the base has a slightly sunken centre mark.
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Looks like Kralik to me and very nice it is, ;D ;D
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Thanks Keith, I thought it was very nice too.
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it may be a franz welz vase.
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Very probable, ;D ;D
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I thought Welz too but those with coloured top rims appear to have a one colour inner but I am guessing that was not always the case with Welz. The Welz "Compote" pieces are very, very similar to my eyes.
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that's right, the most welz are plain coloured inside.
see figure #4 in the category: welz // visual decor index // welz shapes // compote:
http://www.kralik-glass.com/frametemplate.html (http://www.kralik-glass.com/frametemplate.html)
this vase is inside also multicoloured.
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Is there any kind of pontil scar on the underside at all? Some centers are sunken without any pontil work being apparent. I am interested in pontil mark grinding and polishing specifically.
Thanks, Craig
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Craig - The centre (or off centre) mark is sunken but smooth with no evidence of any pontil scar. I am assuming that these are top cut and the coloured lip rim applied later.
Do you see the vase as a Welz piece also?
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That is what I was looking to find out.....
Although the shape of the piece is reminiscent of some Kralik forms, Kralik is not really known for using gadgets to hold glass once removed from the pipe. The examples from Kralik similar in form to this have applied rims and prunts, and also have pontil marks. Generally Kralik production with an applied rim has a pontil scar, and almost all pieces I have identified as Welz production in this kind of technique (applied rim color) have no pontil mark. Based on that I would lean towards a Welz attribution for the piece.
There is always the possibility that Kralik played a little with gadgets in production, but even their later production of high end cased work has pontil scars, and I can not think of an example of their work I have seen that does not have a pontil mark, but normally would....
I had a small covered dish which I lost in my shelving unit collapse which was quite like this decor on a clear ground. I had attributed it to Welz. I do see some examples of their decors on clear grounds without an interior lining which is opaque, but it is in the minority of their production from what I can tell so far.
Hope this helps,
Craig
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Thanks craig. It all seems to add up as you say to Welz, you are welcome to use the image again for your website catologue if you choose ;D
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Thank You
Craig
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Interesting about the pontil scar, as Alfredo attributes this to Kralik, but it has no scar
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1218
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No rule without exception. My baskets with applied rim and this piece have a pontil scar:
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There will always be exceptions I guess, it all adds to the conundrum that is glass identification a lot of the time.
Off topic - While surfing around I came across this Patent application by Franz Welz of Klostergrab dated 1892 -
http://www.google.com/patents?id=pO11AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false