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Title: Help on ID of this old pressed glass Goblet
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on May 04, 2006, 09:04:45 PM

Hi

Any help on the ID of this glass , its looks like pressed glass and is very heavy for size over 600 gms , height 5.5 inches, looks to have a lot of age by the base , I did wonder it it could be American, its seem to be of very high quality if it is pressed glass and has quite a good ring
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/th_aba1.jpg) (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/aba1.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/th_abba2.jpg) (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/abba2.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/th_abba3.jpg) (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/abba3.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/th_abba4.jpg) (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/abba4.jpg)
thanks for any help
roy

Title: Help on ID of this old pressed glass Goblet
Post by: glasswizard on May 04, 2006, 09:33:11 PM

Very interesting piece. Here in the US, this would be called Lacy Glass. It is mostly found in open salts and dates to about 1840. Now what is very interesting can be found in William Heacock's book 5000 open salts. On page 286  there is a reprint of a catalogue page of Launay, Jautin et Cie. Quoting "A French company distributing the glass of Baccarat, St. Louis and other lesser known glass houses. Many of these salts are similar to known American production." I would have to say that your goblet is probably of French manufacture. A good place to start anyway. Terry

Title: Help on ID of this old pressed glass Goblet
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on May 04, 2006, 10:24:46 PM

Thanks Terry what you say makes a lot of sense and I would agree
roy

Title: Help on ID of this old pressed glass Goblet
Post by: Ivo on May 05, 2006, 06:39:34 AM

Could not find the gothic sablée pattern goblet  in the Launay, Hautin & Cie. catalogue of 1841, so no confirmation. It could also be by Louis Zoude/ VSL around the same time - the pattern was not exclusive to a single maker.
You should be aware this pattern has been heavily reproduced in Indonesia in the last 20 years.

Title: Help on ID of this old pressed glass Goblet
Post by: glasswizard on May 05, 2006, 08:17:24 AM

This makes for an interesting perspective on this goblet.
http://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2004-2w-chiarenza-teller-wedding.pdf#search=
I had no idea Fenton was involved and Red Cliff is certainly new to me as well. Terry

Title: Help on ID of this old pressed glass Goblet
Post by: Ivo on May 05, 2006, 09:15:52 AM

Thanks for the accurate reference - the piece is indeed pictured in the 1837 Launay, Hautin & Cie catalogue Planche 54, including the circular foot with star.

Title: Help on ID of this old pressed glass Goblet
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on May 05, 2006, 03:49:45 PM

Thanks Ivo and Glasswizzard for your help on the ID of goblet, how best do I decide ifs its is 1840 or a modern reproduction, in my veiw the goblet is very heavy for the size, I know bases of reproduction items can be made to look old ,  the base does seem to look very old, with what looks like genuine ware , has the goblet itself been reproduced in Indonesia

thanks roy

Title: Help on ID of this old pressed glass Goblet
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on May 05, 2006, 07:40:20 PM

I just adding some more close up pictures to see if its help determine possible age
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/th_top1.jpg) (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/top1.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/th_top2.jpg) (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/top2.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/th_top3.jpg) (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/mhgcgolfclub/top3.jpg)
roy

Title: Help on ID of this old pressed glass Goblet
Post by: Lustrousstone on May 05, 2006, 08:07:26 PM

I would go for old not repro - the two halves of the mould look slightly different on the stem.

Title: Help on ID of this old pressed glass Goblet
Post by: Ivo on May 06, 2006, 06:55:39 AM

looks correct to me, you can not convincingly fake that amount of soft scratch.

Title: Help on ID of this old pressed glass Goblet
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on May 06, 2006, 03:22:25 PM

Thanks for replys, I would also agree with it being old , the only thing I was unsure was having seen and handled large amounts of english pressed glass most pieces tend to have rough mould lines etc and the quality was not always very high, the goblet even though it is pressed moulded glass looks to be off a very high quality
roy

Title: Help on ID of this old pressed glass Goblet
Post by: Ivo on May 06, 2006, 05:04:41 PM

both Baccarat and Saint Louis mastered the art of glass pressing without welts, seams, sags or bulges.

Title: Help on ID of this old pressed glass Goblet
Post by: pamela on May 06, 2006, 08:35:01 PM

hi Roy and all,
anotherone of same quality - still unattributed
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/karaffen/02587.html

 :?

Title: Help on ID of this old pressed glass Goblet
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on May 06, 2006, 09:25:03 PM

Thanks Pamela for the link to the German pressed glass website
roy