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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: keith on August 03, 2013, 06:35:27 PM
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4.25 inches high,no pontil mark,heavy wear and internal moulding,don't suppose it rings any bells? ;D ;D
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no, no...........it's 'by whom' ;D ;D
never heard of Mitchells & Butlers (is that what it's saying) - tell us who they were/are................ but you're never going to find a maker for this one Keith. :D
So, what does it have under the foot - remnants of a gadget mark perhaps. :)
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Sorry, ::) Paul,if you were from the Midlands you would know that M&B's were a very large brewery based in Cape Hill,B'ham,the foot has very little marks on the base except for wear,forgot to post a pic' as my camera is bust,just wondered if the moulding was indicative of a certain maker,never mind it can go in the 'local social history' collection, ;D ;D
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apologies Keith - regret I don't have your knowledge of B'ham breweries :) glasses made with this slight optic moulding and of a cheap quality were made very commonly - often carrying an ad. in the form of a transfer or whatever, and I suppose the proximity to Stourbridge means a variety of possibly makers. I just thought that if it had a gadget mark, you could at least tie it down to the late C19.
I've a pint tankard with wording 'Ask for Taylor Walker's Barley Mow' and 'British Made'.
I think your idea of that new home is a good suggestion.
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It can't be older than 1898, because that's when Mitchells and Butlers formed but the squffiiness makes me think it's not much newer
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Thanks both,I'll do a bit of local history research and see what come up, ;D ;D
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quote....................squffiiness........... certainly looks like it. ;D
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Just found out they are still going as a company,don't go to pubs,well not for along time,you know when they had sawdust on the floor etc... ::),squiffy??? ;D
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The bowl isn't centred on the stem
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;D ;D,got it, ;D.
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Hi Keith , sorry for the delay in replying, but I didn't know I was going to find this until recently . I would think it might well be by a local Stourbridge firm , if not then the locals would have walked out of the pub if they found they were drinking from imported glass !
There are quite a few examples of M&B glasses on ebay etc.. Haven't seen a wine glass though.
Here is my example , it's 11.2 cm tall and is somewhat worn . It has been mould blown and expertly cut. I think the ''Deers Leap'' trade mark might be sand blasted... also says 'Registered Trade Mark' .
Thanks for posting your wine ! :)
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Hello Mike, I don't think I've seen a cut tumbler from a local brewer, very nice, I'll ask my brother if he's seen any, he's a bit of a local history buff, ;D ;D
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my earlier comments - in this thread - about the gadget mark being under the foot, now make me shudder with embarrassment - these roughly Y or T shaped scars are the remnants of where the shears severed the foot from the pontil rod.
The gadget mark proper - if it can be seen at all - is found on the upper side of the foot and in outline looks not unlike a horseshoe shape.
From the few examples I've seen of tumblers carrying ads. for a particular pub or hotel, it does seem that most of these images are sand blasted. Sand blasting should be easy to separate from etching - the former usually looks far more gritty and shallow than the acid process. The edges of sand blasted images appear far less sharp, usually.
I'd imagine that a lot of folk in the U.K. were drinking from imported glass in the first half of the C20 - although probably no reason for them to think - at that time - this should be the case. Whether this situation was more likely to have affected the housewife consumer market, or the pub/hotel trade I've no idea.
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Thanks Keith & Paul :)
I was wondering if your wine might pre-date their trade mark, Deers Leap (why isn't it there). If the stem isn't central to the bowl then it might be a second from one of the Stourbridge firms (if it's not imported ).
Cheers , Mike.
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Will have to look up the history of M&B , the stem is only a little off centre, I'd be surprised if it was for wine, maybe barley wine or something similar, can't say I remember seeing much wine for sale in local pubs years gone by, time for research I think ;D ;D
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Yes , I'm sure you are right about that.... it's a barley wine and not a wine :)
I used to work for Courage Brewery, in Bristol, many moons ago and they had an archives department full of old musty ledgers from all the small breweries they swallowed up, plus a whole load of old bottles of beer and pub signs and much more besides . I would sneak off there as much as I could...no wonder I was the first to be made redundant !
I'm sure if you had the time and inclination you could find a whole bunch of information , Bass might hold all the archives now (not at all sure about this though :( ) ....good luck !...it would make a very interesting piece of research...to what extent did a local brewer/pub owner support the local glass industry ?...if at all ! ;)
Here is an example of an order confirmation from Thomas Webb & Sons , sent to a retailer in Boston (same year as the formation of M&B ) ...just to get you keen/going !! :D
Cheers, Mike.
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Thanks Mike, I'm waiting for a reply from M&B, I'll let you know what turns up or not ::) ;D ;D