Glass Message Board

Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Baked_Beans on August 28, 2013, 06:34:11 PM

Title: Vase, milk over light blue with amber trailing on rim, Stourbridge ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on August 28, 2013, 06:34:11 PM

I think this is from Stourbridge , as a total wild guess perhaps Boulton & Mills.....but I havn't got much of a clue (see page 303 . British Glass 1800-1914, C Hajdamach)  ::) Any comments would be lovely, thanks for having a look  :) .....17cm tall.

Title: Re: Vase, milk over light blue with amber trailing on rim, Stourbridge ?
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 28, 2013, 09:33:48 PM

Maybe English, maybe Bohemian but probably not Boulton and Mills

Title: Re: Vase, milk over light blue with amber trailing on rim, Stourbridge ?
Post by: David E on August 28, 2013, 10:13:53 PM

Similar ones in Patrica's book (see my tagline) on p.253, although in both cases the crimped rim is not applied. Possibly English?

Title: Re: Vase, milk over light blue with amber trailing on rim, Stourbridge ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on August 29, 2013, 06:24:15 PM

Thanks very much Chistine & David, I will try to get a copy of Patricia's book via the library. It's really quite a nice vase and the photos don't do it justice , might even have a go at growing a bulb  :o

Title: Re: Vase, milk over light blue with amber trailing on rim, Stourbridge ?
Post by: David E on August 29, 2013, 08:08:49 PM

Quote

might even have a go at growing a bulb

Ah, for that you will need the book  ;D

Title: Re: Vase, milk over light blue with amber trailing on rim, Stourbridge ?
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 29, 2013, 08:10:09 PM

I think David is just comparing the crimp; I don't think you get a bulb vase in there.
I think you may find its uranium glass. this one is
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=988
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=989

Title: Re: Vase, milk over light blue with amber trailing on rim, Stourbridge ?
Post by: David E on August 29, 2013, 09:34:13 PM

Nope, I didn't mean to suggest it was a hyacinth vase, and I was just comparing the rims. In fact, the custard vase in Patricia's book does have a ruby applied rim, so apologies for misleading (I'd forgotten). I remember taking that photo at a Bulb Vase Club Day in Holland, and it also tested fine as uranium with a UV lamp.

Title: Re: Vase, milk over light blue with amber trailing on rim, Stourbridge ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on August 30, 2013, 03:56:26 PM

Thanks for the photos Chistine, splendid vase you have there !

I really was thinking that this vase of mine was a bulb vase (smallish bulb !) and that it is opaque to conceal the roots !  ::) . The opening is about 1 1/4 inches.

So it's not a bulb vase then ?  ???

I've tested it under UV light and there is nothing going on  >:(  It can't be modern can it ? It does have some nice signs of wear to the base.

Christine , does your vase have the same pontil mark on the base ? This one has been heat treated to smooth it off as I hope you can see from the photo.

I'm a bit confused now.... ;)

Title: Re: Vase, milk over light blue with amber trailing on rim, Stourbridge ?
Post by: David E on August 30, 2013, 05:34:08 PM

As Patricia will tell you, half the joy of growing bulbs on water is seeing the roots grow, so both the custard one and yours are contrary to this. So let's recap:

Your vase is almost certainly not a bulb vase.
The custard one in Patricia's book is.
The rims of both vases are applied

Christine's is a little different to these two vases, but could be from the same maker.

Title: Re: Vase, milk over light blue with amber trailing on rim, Stourbridge ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on August 30, 2013, 06:30:15 PM

Thanks David,

I will certainly read Patricia's book with great interest and will have a go with a bulb (not with this vase !)

Thanks for the recap. , I will check out the custard one   :D !


 

Title: Re: Vase, milk over light blue with amber trailing on rim, Stourbridge ?
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 30, 2013, 07:05:22 PM

I certainly think our vases were made by the same company; the watery amber and blue... And they're late 19th C IMHO
Have you tried shining your UV light through the glass, rather than on to it. Sometimes the opacifier seems to reduce the effect when UV light is shone onto the surface

Title: Re: Vase, milk over light blue with amber trailing on rim, Stourbridge ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on August 31, 2013, 06:08:47 AM

Yes, the blue & amber both look the same to me , and if the pontil mark looks the same,  then they must almost certainly  be made by the same company, as you say . In that case I can't understand why mine isn't responding to this UV pen. There isn't any colour change in the purple light anywhere, even when shinning it trough the glass.  I guess the uranium would be in the blue colour and not in the milk glass .  :)

Title: Re: Vase, milk over light blue with amber trailing on rim, Stourbridge ?
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 31, 2013, 10:47:04 AM

No the uranium is in the milk, but it's not unknown to find U and non-U versions of the same design
This one is http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=932
This one isn't http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=781

though it's generally more common is pressed glass made over a long period

Title: Re: Vase, milk over light blue with amber trailing on rim, Stourbridge ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on August 31, 2013, 11:02:17 AM

Thanks Christine,

That's interesting ! The uranium doesn't seem to make any difference to the look of the milk glass so there is little point in adding it , it seems !

Title: Re: Vase, milk over light blue with amber trailing on rim, Stourbridge ?
Post by: Lustrousstone on August 31, 2013, 12:48:18 PM

Sometimes it does. With the baskets, the uranium one is a richer cream - like the difference between full-fat and skimmed. With pressed glass too it gives richness and depth of colour

Title: Re: Vase, milk over light blue with amber trailing on rim, Stourbridge ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on September 01, 2013, 06:12:01 PM

Thanks Christine,

That's a good analogy , mine has a definite semi-skimmed look about it  :)  Cheers, Mike.