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Title: pressed boat with ribbed base.
Post by: Paul S. on October 03, 2013, 07:33:15 PM

I'm sure this shape has a name, but boats not my thing, although some very minor damage to what looks like the bits you put oars in, so obviously a rowing craft of some kind (clinker built I believe you're supposed to say) :)
No marks of any sort, and although it has some wear, age might be just about anywhere.            About 13" long (330 mm)

I just thought the shape was unusual   -  so used to seeing designs such as the Soweby boats  - and it wasn't expensive.

Hope someone might recognize this one, and thanks for looking. :)

Title: Re: pressed boat with ribbed base.
Post by: Paul S. on October 03, 2013, 07:34:13 PM

meant to add that I'm assuming it's a posy trough.??

Title: Re: pressed boat with ribbed base.
Post by: Ivo on October 04, 2013, 05:32:24 AM

The ss banana split?

Title: Re: pressed boat with ribbed base.
Post by: Lustrousstone on October 04, 2013, 06:47:29 AM

I would go with pen tray, especially with the rowlocks for resting your pen on

Title: Re: pressed boat with ribbed base.
Post by: agincourt17 on October 04, 2013, 07:24:50 PM

I have sadly mislaid my copy of Jenny Thompsons ‘Supplement…’, so I’m unable to check for sure, but I seem to recall something similar illustrated under the section for Joseph Webb, Coalbourn Hill, Wordsley – RD 268883-4 (registered by Jane Webb and Joseph Hammond, executors, on December 19 1872 – Parcel 3), described as a ‘flower boat’. I seem to recall that it had clinkered sides.

Fred.

Title: Re: pressed boat with ribbed base.
Post by: Paul S. on October 04, 2013, 09:46:15 PM

good try Fred but..................268883 is indeed a clinker built boat, but it has different style of bow and stern, and lacks Christine's rowlocks.         268884 is for a plate of sorts.             Will post Archive pix later tomorrow.               thanks for looking :)

I'm inclined to think that a pen tray is possibly a good suggestion.

I've been lazy and busy, and not yet looked for this in the Sko Union CD, neither have I yet tried Pamela's resources.

Title: Re: pressed boat with ribbed base.
Post by: pamela on October 05, 2013, 04:42:58 AM

Paul, don't waste your time, haven't got this... however, that pattern reminds me of my Percival, Vickers jardinière  here  (http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/08866.html) which is also looking very modern and brand-new and is actually a late 19th century design  :)

Title: Re: pressed boat with ribbed base.
Post by: Paul S. on October 05, 2013, 04:07:58 PM

thanks Pamela and appreciate your suggestion  - gosh you were up early this morning...........or was it a late night ;).             
I'm not that well up on this type of ornamental piece - although I think those holders for the oars are a distinctive feature but I can't recall seeing them before  -  there are plenty of boats, but none I've seen yet has that sort of design.                   Perhaps if we knew which period and country this boat was typical of, we might get a better idea of its origin.

As promised, here are pix of British Board of Trade Rd. Nos. 268883/4, as mentioned by Fred  -  268883 is similar, but lacking those distinctive features for the oars :)

Title: Re: pressed boat with ribbed base.
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on October 05, 2013, 05:17:30 PM

Sorry Paul I can be of no help. I have never seen one before and do not have a clue as to maker.

Roy

Title: Re: pressed boat with ribbed base.
Post by: Ivo on October 05, 2013, 05:27:26 PM

here around the Adriatic, boats are used in ice cream parlors and spoons serve as oars. I spotted something really similar this morning in a slasticarna in pink lustre earthenware - the type of centerpiece gondola to put you off ice cream forever.
From slovenia :-)

Title: Re: pressed boat with ribbed base.
Post by: Paul S. on October 05, 2013, 05:46:51 PM

thanks for the suggestion Ivo - in fact I'm a big fan of ice cream, always have been - just a great shame that it's fattening. ;)

The ice cream connection may well be possible, so will keep it in mind. :)

Title: Re: pressed boat with ribbed base.
Post by: agincourt17 on October 05, 2013, 07:24:03 PM

Thank you, Paul, for TNA design representations of the Jane Webb & Joseph Hammond RDs 268883 and 268884.

They are a significant addition to the available images of pieces registered by Joseph Webb (and later by Jane Webb and others acting as his executors), Coalbourn Hill glassworks, Wordsley. ( I seem to recall that the drawing of clinkered boat in the Thompson Supplement was a pretty poor attempt at sketching TNA representation).

I have never seen actual examples or photos of examples from either of these two RDs.

Some more  pieces from earlier Joseph Webb registered designs have already been discussed on the GMB at
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,46735.msg265784.html#msg265784

Fred.

Title: Re: pressed boat with ribbed base.
Post by: agincourt17 on October 10, 2014, 04:10:35 PM

Just for reference, photos of a Jane Webb & Joseph Hammond… RD 268883 boat-shaped flower trough. ‘Clinker-built’ sides and base (frosted externally), top edge without rowlocks, a plain base, and registry date lozenge embossed on exterior of the stern.

Fred