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Title: Harlequin paperweight with Y cane
Post by: dreamticket2 on October 18, 2013, 09:32:41 PM
I haven't been on the board for a while . Just getting back into my paperweights.
This is one I bought recently and would be pleased if you can tell me if the Y cane is Ysart and if this is an Ysart paperweight and possible date .
these are the links to my glass gallery pages.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-19557

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-19560

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-19558

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-19555


Thank you for your time.
best wishes
Jean
Title: Re: Harlequin paperweight with Y cane
Post by: dreamticket2 on October 18, 2013, 09:35:49 PM
These are three more links to my gallery pages for the Y cane pwt.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-19556

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-19554

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-19559

Thank you
Jean
Title: Re: Harlequin paperweight with Y cane
Post by: KevinH on October 20, 2013, 12:52:45 AM
Hi jean,

I think the weight is an "Aladdin's Cave" design by Perthshire Paperweights. The cane that looks like a "Y" is not what it seems to be ... it is just a cane with apparently three white canes (each with a blue centre) with a blue "background" which have become shaped as an approximate "Y" form.
Title: Re: Harlequin paperweight with Y cane
Post by: dreamticket2 on October 20, 2013, 11:19:09 AM
Thank you for looking Kevin.
The base is very scrappy looks like the button pontil was rough then fire polished
Does anyone have a photo of a Y cane?.
Jean
Title: Re: Harlequin paperweight with Y cane
Post by: KevinH on October 20, 2013, 04:26:46 PM
Salvador Y cane shown below. Second image shows cane in context of of other canes.
Title: Re: Harlequin paperweight with Y cane
Post by: dreamticket2 on October 20, 2013, 09:50:40 PM
Thank you again Kevin.
Just realised I forgot size.
The pwt is 8cm wide X 6cm (approx)Ht.
best wishes
jean
Title: Re: Harlequin paperweight with Y cane
Post by: dreamticket2 on October 27, 2013, 06:16:08 PM
Hi again.
I don't have a Perthshire catalogue or any reference books so I have to rely on the web.
 I found a reference on Scotlands Glass to Perthshire  Aladins Cave paperweight which I show the pictures of the one have.
Links to my gallery.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-19577

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-19573

   http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-19572


The spatter canes on my ? 'Y' cane Harlequin, Fountain or ? name do not seem to me to be a good match'
The Perthshire canes here are more like broken cog canes.

 There seems to be a better match with my Newcastle Police badge Single harlequin paperweight

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-19576

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-10658

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-19571

Any ideas.
One or two of the broken up canes seem to be more Vasart/ Strathearn.
I am looking through Richard Mores Web pages but he does not seem to have any Fountain/ harlequin or ?name paperweights listed .

Sorry to pursue this again. Thank you for looking anyway.
jean
Title: Re: Harlequin paperweight with Y cane
Post by: tropdevin on October 27, 2013, 09:22:10 PM
***

Hi.

There were some early 'Aladdin's cave ' designs, like yours, then much later there were the ones you show with pieces of whole cane - the Perthshire reference book describes both. Yours looks to me likes a typical early Perthshire version - I have had a few like it.

Badge weights is a whole new minefield....many of these were made in Belgium, and distinguishing them from the Ysart ones is not a trivial task.

Alan
Title: Re: Harlequin paperweight with Y cane
Post by: dreamticket2 on October 28, 2013, 06:53:42 PM
Thank you Alan.
Will have to invest in a Perthshire reference book
best wishes
jean
Title: Re: Harlequin paperweight with Y cane
Post by: KevinH on October 29, 2013, 01:36:53 AM
Quote
... Harlequin, Fountain or ? name ...
There is a lot of confusion about the names for these types of weight.

Paul Ysart called them "Harlequin", "Double Harlequin" or "Triple Harlequin" depending on the number of layers. This naming was carried through to his time at Caithness and then later at his own studio at Harland. Caithness continued with that naming after Paul had left (but I do not think they produced a Triple version).

Paul Ysart made them with one central and four outer bubbles (early years only?), and also six outer bubbles and eight outer bubbles. European examples of similar design (19th and early 20th century) can have five or seven outer bubbles as well as four, six and eight, and they are usually referred to as simply "frit and bubble" weights

Strathearn Glass also made a similar looking weight, with 1,2 3 and 4 layers within their "Arctic" range and called them "Force 1" (2, 3 and 4). I believe all of these weights had four outer bubbles and a central bubble over the cane layer(s).

The similar design made by Perthshire Paperweights and also John Deacons in his own studio, was / is, I believe, simply called "Aladdin's Cave". Or, more accurately, for the Perthshire examples "Aladdin's cave" was the name in early literature but later, "Fountain" was used. The Perthshire examples had either two or three layers. And maybe (??) all of these always had a central plus four outer bubbles. [If somebody knows for sure, please add a post].

The "Fountain" design of Paul Ysart is something different. It has a single scrambled cane base (with or without twists) but does not use just bubbles as the upper decoration. Instead, it has filigrana twists pulled down near the edge of the dome and with a single air bubble over the centre of each "arm".

Too many EBay sellers cannot seem to ever appreciate the distinction of these names, even if I tell them!! :)
Title: Re: Harlequin paperweight with Y cane
Post by: Nick77 on October 29, 2013, 10:40:55 AM
To illustrate Kevin's post below are some images of Paul Ysart weights although from the very end of his working life these are all labelled as Highland Paperweights mad at the Harland works before Paul finally retired, a single and double Harlequin and a fountain weight although this late fountain has a single colour base.

Nick
Title: Re: Harlequin paperweight with Y cane
Post by: Sach on October 29, 2013, 04:18:02 PM
A generic term for all these designs is "icepick weights" as an icepick or awl is the tool used to produce the indentations/bubbles.
Title: Re: Harlequin paperweight with Y cane
Post by: dreamticket2 on October 29, 2013, 10:40:21 PM
Thank you Kevin and Nick for the great information.  :)
be Lucky
jean
Title: Re: Harlequin paperweight with Y cane
Post by: KevinH on October 30, 2013, 12:06:58 AM
I am indebted to Sach for pointing out the generic term "ice pick weight", as this has highlighted an omission in my comments.

I forgot to mention the American equivalent of "frit and bubble" designs which do indeed go by the general name "ice pick bubble weights" [using full terminolgy from Jean S. Melvin's book American Glass Paperweights and Their Makers (first edition produced 1967) ]. That term also applies to the bubbles in the (American) "trumpet flower" designs. I believe that the term is essentially an American one.

As an extra point of interest, the tool used to produce the bubbles in these type of weights has varied across makers. Some used a single tool, with each bubble formed individually. Some made up a multiple point tool to produce several bubbles at once. I have seen an old six point tool found in the ruins of the European Josephinenhutte factory, the tool simply being formed as a circular section of wood with six "nails" at the relevant points.

Another point of interest is that Paul H Dunlop, in his generally excellent book, The Dictionary of Glass Paperweights - an illustrated primer makes no mention of "ice pick" as a term for any type of weight.