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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Simba on October 20, 2013, 04:36:08 PM
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My latest find at the Flea Market at lovely hobnail pattern cheese dome by Davidson....I think...though not marked.
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as long as you didn't come back with any fleas ;)
would agree it looks like something from Davidsons 'hobnail suite' - trouble is that 'hobnail' was produed by other factories as well.
Davidson first Registered their version in August 1890, and it's always possible they may well have added this item during the following decades.
The original Board of Trade Registration No. for Davidson's hobnail is 153858, but mould Nos. may well have long since faded or been obliterated if this was pressed much later. The well known lion trademark - although not apparently used after about the end of the C19 - may well have continued for however long an early mould remained in use - which may well have been some few years (but probably not on this piece).
Sorry, none of this really helps - let's hope a Davidson collectors looks in - failing which you might ask Chris Stewart :)
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Thanks for that Paul...looking at the picture in this link: http://www.pressedintime.com/davidson2.htm
mine isn't as tall at the one in the catalogue. Mine has 6 rows of hobnails, the catalogue one has 9 rows. :)
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just realized that I have what appears to be the same bell, and no marks on mine either.
You may not have left gaps either side of the link - which may be why it's not working.??
[Mod: link now working - space added at start]
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It appears to be by Edward Moore (illustrated in the Tyne and Wear on-line Archives).
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thanks Glen........... but being a bit thick I can't seem to bring up the right connection............... might you do the honours if you have the time :-*
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There doesn't seem to be a picture but http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/collections/search-our-collections.html gives TWCMS : F3730. Clicking on the link when you input the number into search gives more details
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thanks Christine - I see that TWCMS: F3739 is giving a height of 4.5 cms. The actual bell alone is something like 15 cms. tall, and the dish part alone is 3.5 cms. tall. Am I at cross purposes do you think? - looking at the wrong piece perhaps?
sorry to seem thick.
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http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/arbeia/collections/search-our-collections.html
as Christine said ... then I did a search for Moore and ticked the box for images to be displayed. The first page gave the hits. The item is TWCMS: 2002 1254 and is described as a cake stand (yes, a cake stand). Height 14.5 cm, height of dish below, 3 cm.
GT
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I think those dimensions are given in a odd fashion and that it's certainly a contender
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thanks Glen - you did remarkably well to find this in such an archive - would not have occured to me to look there.
It does seem to have a remarkable likeness - the slight variation on the height of the dish appears (visually) to be due to the museum example having an almost down-turned dish rim - whereas mine, (and possibly Angela's) has an upturned rim.
I think the description of cake stand, perhaps whilst wrong, is understandable. I recall going into tea rooms and and restaurants where cakes were protected by sitting under large bell shaped covers (clear ones though, usually).
In view of the lack of Rd. No. or other defining trade marks on the two examples from the GMB, and presumably from the Tyne & Wear piece, I think it would be o.k. to ask the museum for details of the source of their attribution. Would certainly be useful for the GMB archives.
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Thompson doesn't specifically mention any hobnail patterned cheese bells/stands from Ed. Moore, but if you look at page 20 there are a couple of oval biscuit boxes, so going in the right direction I suppose.
Apparently Ed. Moore purchase a lot of Joseph Webb's moulds at some point, and then when Moore went out of business a lot of thier moulds went to George Davidson............. so sounds a bit complicated.
I've sent an email to the T. & W. museum, and seems that have a policy of replying within ten days - so will pass on whatever comments they make.
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I've not forgotten this one.................. Been speaking to the museum and understand they have an original Ed. Moore catalogue from which they say that their attribution was sourced. I've sent pix of the cheese dome/bell to them, and they are checking just to make sure of the provenance.
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thanks Paul ;)
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Now have reply from the T & W museum - as shown below - and I've discussed with them the fact that Ed. Moore weren't alone in producing a 'hobnail' pattern, which probably means that at the end of the day we're not able to be 100% sure about the attribution, but judging by the comments from the museum, they seem satisfied. If anyone wishes to comment further, please feel free. :)
"Hello Paul, thanks for your last e-mail. I have tracked down TWCMS2002.1254, its in our own museum here in South Shields. The plate has had a poor repair at sometime, but despite that it is a niece piece of glass, it was donated to the museum in 1973 by a local South Shields man.
Now the million dollar question did Edward Moore make it ? I believe it was made by the Moore factory here in South Shields in about 1880 ?. It is not in the 1870 cat, but it has all the Moore characteristics and the fact it was donated by a Shields man who no doubt had it passed down though the family. My book on Moore will be titled "Granny Glass"because here in the North East glass was passed down in the family, mothers to daughters etc. I hope this info helps and for what its worth i am more than happy to attribute your glass to Edward Moore's Tyne Flint Glassworks. Regards""
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Brilliant ;D