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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: tycoontim on October 28, 2013, 03:58:32 AM
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Hi all,
Picked up this vase the other day, but I am not sure on the maker or the age. There are some etched numbers on the base - I've done my best to read them, and I *think* they might be as follows:
06327(4,6 or 9)8
The second last number is pretty illegible - and could either be a 4,6 or 9.
The other mark looks to be '7F'
Any help on this piece would be greatly appreciated. I can provide further photos if required.
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It's late 19th C and could be English or Bohemian. I would suggest that any marks are by a previous owner. This sort of glass is rarely marked, as that requires an additional step and therefore more cost. Mostly the stuff that is, is enamelled. When you say etched, how was it etched?
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could it be an Rd number maybe? for registered design.
m
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Thanks for the prompt reply.
I'm not sure how the number was etched - but it does look amateurish, and can be felt under the nail.
The mark that looks like '7F' appears to have been acid etched - but I don't really know anything about glass as it is.
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could it be an Rd number maybe? for registered design.
m
Thanks for the idea - I will see if there's anything I can dig up with regards to that.
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the number as you've given it (06327(4,6 or 9)8) would date to c.1914. That is late for that type of vase I think? and the '0' in front is a bit odd. Perhaps that is a letter? i.e. part of the 'Rd' which might be on there before the number.
Can you try and either read it with a magnifying glass over it, or photograph it with a light shining holding the vase away form the light so it highlights the number please?
Thanks :)
m
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the number as you've given it (06327(4,6 or 9)8) would date to c.1914. That is late for that type of vase I think? and the '0' in front is a bit odd. Perhaps that is a letter? i.e. part of the 'Rd' which might be on there before the number.
Can you try and either read it with a magnifying glass over it, or photograph it with a light shining holding the vase away form the light so it highlights the number please?
Thanks :)
m
Photos of the base attached. I couldn't get a photo, or even find the other mark - so it might be that this is the only bit that's etched, after all! I've attached a few as it was hard to photograph - these ones are the best of the bunch.
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that reads 0632798 and I think it was done properly rather than scratched on by someone
Is there nothing before the 'O' ? I was just wondering if the '0' was actually a 'D' and therefore might have an 'R' in front of it? Edited to add that no, I can see from your second pic there is nothing in front of it.
If it relates to a reg design number then it would be 1914 which I think might be a bit late but perhaps not ?
I wonder could it be a pattern number?
m
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that reads 0632798 and I think it was done properly rather than scratched on by someone
Is there nothing before the 'O' ? I was just wondering if the '0' was actually a 'D' and therefore might have an 'R' in front of it? Edited to add that no, I can see from your second pic there is nothing in front of it.
If it relates to a reg design number then it would be 1914 which I think might be a bit late but perhaps not ?
I wonder could it be a pattern number?
m
Thanks for the ideas - I'll have a few places to do some searches a bit later on at least! I've had a quick look at RD numbers online, but couldn't find much there. If it's a design number - I'm not sure where I'd even go to look this up, let alone a possible manufacturer.
It could well be then, that a previous owner had this etched onto the glass itself.
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I don't know, but if it were mine, my thoughts would be that it had been etched in-house i.e. at the maker. So it could be a pattern number. However unless you know the maker and can then look the pattern number up in the pattern books, that would be an impossible task.
Stevens and Williams pattern books are not publicly available as far as I know. There are pattern number in Walsh Walsh book but I can't find mine at the moment to check. It looks as though it might be a Boulton and Mills piece potentially but I've no idea where their number would be found.
Maybe someone with more information might be able to help.
I'll look up the Walsh number as soon as I find my book and let you know if I find anything.
m
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Hi m
they look like continental written numbers to my eye (my German friend writes like that) if the last 3 numerals were 148 instead of 798 does that make a difference to the date using the reference data you have?
just curious
mel
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Hi Mel
mm, yes I debated over whether it was a one, but figured it was a 7 without the cross across it which is how I would imagine it might be if Continental. My grandma wrote like this as well (English lol), but you could be right.
No, it wouldn't make a difference to the year if that digit were a 1 though (if it were English rd numbers).
I wonder if anyone else recognises the opalescent pattern. Harrach did do versions of as well. I don't know about any other continental maker so can't add any more.
m
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Thank you all for your help on this piece. I'll keep trawling the Internet to see if I can come up with anything - you've all given me a few good places to start looking at least :-).
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I have this vase that has a similar pattern, with a tentative ID of Webb (based on a photo in Manley Victorian Glass).
John
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There is a VERY good chance that this was made by Harrach. Those pink flowers and the opalescent spot pattern was made by Harrach. The feet are also very similar to work done by Harrach. The glitch is...people copied work done by other people.
Dave Peterson
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There is a VERY good chance that this was made by Harrach. Those pink flowers and the opalescent spot pattern was made by Harrach. The feet are also very similar to work done by Harrach. The glitch is...people copied work done by other people.
Dave Peterson
Dave - thanks for that. I've done some searching on that maker, and can see what you mean by the similar pieces. At least it gives me a tentative ID - as you say, work was copied and so on.