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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: bat20 on November 05, 2013, 12:22:33 PM
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Hi again,the blue when i first saw this made me think it was new,however the base hints at age or alot of use,i think it was encased in white then blue and cut through to the clear glass,interestingly it has small snippets of writting on each window,"je" being one that could be French,i get the feeling it's missing it's lid and it does have a bit of a ring to it,any idea's,many thanks.
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looks like an old Bohemian becher to me (possibly depending on what is written on the windows) given the wear on the base.
Is it possible to add a size please
Also is it possible to please roll up a dark or black material and pop it inside the vase then take a photo of each of the windows, then we can see what is written on each?
Is the writing engraved btw or enamelled on?
It would be great to see the colour of the blue more clearly as well without light behind it.
Possibly dates mid 19th century - I don't really know though, I'm not used to seeing them without some form of cut or angled foot at the bottom whereas the opaline overlay on yours goes right to the bottom. It's really pretty!
Lovely piece.
Thanks
m
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That is a Ranftbecher, Biedermeier Bohemian or I suspect in this case - Swedish. It would be fun to know WHAT is written in the windows. It has never had a lid and is probably in semi-cristal hence the ping.
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oops Ivo and I crossed posts ;D
The Swedish might explain why I'm not used to seeing that kind of finish at the foot?
m
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This is a lighter blue than the real thing.
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last three,
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Ivo will be able to work that out ;D
m
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Is it Polish? Maybe a name?
ah, moved it round and google says Slovak detected. So possibly written in Czech?
mm,no google just picks up characters and says what it thinks it is dependent on how you put them together.
No idea sorry.
m
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So - what does it read around. line by line? Might be Hungarian dot dot dot.
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???still trying to work it out Ivo,could be surnames some words starting with capitals,or maybe not,now where's my bit of paper?
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I have written down
Re hour (hap? /har?) sch Ka Joh (Toh?) an
Br nya(nyi?) Ro doig Fsi je
m
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I've got,Ka Jon an Re barr sch
Bri Nvi doig Esi je
"doig"must be an avenue?
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the nyi is definitely a y not a v as far as I can see enlarging your pictures :)
and did you miss out the Ro on the bottom line before the doig? or have I misread?
m
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Had Ro written down and it is a y,sorry rushed the post,have you been down the Johan Reharsch and deviations route.
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yep :)
I was relying on Ivo to work out which language.
Each time I put something that looked as though it might be a word in google, it threw back at me variously, Finnish, Maltese, Danish, Welsh and Slovak. It liked Welsh a lot because of the brnya bit ;D
I havent' checked Hungarian yet though
m
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I've found myself on north American Indian sites!!
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I don't know if this may help on the Esi or Fsi,the first letter has a sort of dash above it an Ka could be ha with a stroke through the h? just be a bit of flamboyance maybe.
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I think we' ve got our Christmas puzzle. I give up - it is too complicated for me.
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Probably for the best Ivo,we don't want to be raising any Transylvanian spirits!!Thanks to everybody for the help on this one it opened up another chunk of glass history.
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Latvian?,they have the words,esi and ka.
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They are more likely abbreviations, so unless someone recognises the language you will get nowhere. When you look at old writing etc. on stuff, "text speak" was pretty common if there was little room (nothing is new)
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ty b4n.
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Wondered why a postcode was posted until I looked ;D ;D I have a question, is the writing only in the clear or does it go all the way round through the blue ? It's not clear to my eyes
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Hi Pete,it's just on the windows which are not flat by the way they are ground,cut, to a line in the middle.I forgot to give the size sorry,13.5 CM ht,8.5 CM wd.
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I think the name might be Johan Fsije
Brnyi means more in Serbian. It's written in two sets with the inscription on the top and the bottom being the name I think.
The writing looks like a Hungarian glass I've come across hence my reposting.
Can you write the inscription out starting with one of the capital letters on the top line and writing all the letters that follow.
Then the same on the bottom line starting with the Jo and following it around.
I dont' think it's abbreviated because some of the inscription appears to go onto the coloured overlay unless I'm seeing shadows on your photos.
m
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I did a little photoshopping, and put the pieces in the order I would think makes (at least) a little sense ;D
Still not much wiser, but at least I am quite sure that the first word reads "Johan" and probably a family name to follow. The "sch" is frequently used in the German language...
So perhaps Czech?
The "Brnyi" could be a declination for the town Brno?
Michael
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You are so clever! I couldn't work that out.
Thanks - can have a little play around with the words and languages now and see if we can find a country of origin.
(I have a whole day to devote to glass today having finished a major project, so it's my treat ;D )
m
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Johan is a Hindi origin name
re har sch ka translated on google as Hindi gives 'each ray of truth' (I guess it is translated phonetically though so not sure whether that has even a chance of being correct)
I have failed on the rest of it though.
Ok, I think Johan Fsije is the name and then the other two panels read top bottom then top bottom
It is a phonetic translation of Hindi it seems
So Rehar Brnyi sch kaRo is 'Under Brni true friendship' - however I do not know how the 'doig' fits in. If I add that it changes everything. So perhaps I just got lucky on the google and it's not really Hindi at all ;D
m
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See above
and there was a Johan from Brno
who is mentioned here
Johann Gregor Mendl (born 1822) Abbott of the Augustinian monastery in Old Brno, who laid down the basis of modern genetics. His work wasn't properly understood until 40 years after it was first published. The town has a square named after him.
Might it be your Johan?
No, it can't be as it's too late on for that glass I think.
mmm ... it's a puzzle
m
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I wonder if this might be Croatian?
glass here that made me think of the writing on yours because of the formulation of the words:
https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/stem-glass/XgGiO0eNYOliNQ?ms=%7B%22x%22%3A0.5224251987789857%2C%22y%22%3A0.46750758410203197%2C%22z%22%3A9.327763777545167%2C%22size%22%3A%7B%22width%22%3A2.2346018025984353%2C%22height%22%3A0.618768615796089%7D%7D
See page 'seite 44 von 53 seiten' top right hand there is a glass with a red panel and writing on it. It just reminded me of your glass.
When I used google Translate, 'doig' comes up as the word 'relegation'.
I think the first letter of your second line is a Z.
Ka means 'There is' or 'There are'
m
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Interesting!,thanks m I'll follow that lead.
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I have a friend who is Croatian who said he'll have a look at it, if I remember to print it off and show him next week.
I'll try to remember.
m
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I did not remember to take this to said friend and it's now not possible. However I came across another document today (not checked if it's the one I previously linked to ) but immediately I saw the glass and some of the writing, I thought of your becher! particularly the writing on the goblet on seite 43. So going on gut instinct, there might be something in it :)
The document is from Pressglas-korrespondenz - the glass is from Osredek Croatia if I can understand it correctly:
https://pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2015-2w-vorgic-osredek-kroatien-zeittafel.pdf
update - I've just checked and it's not the same link I provided previously. However the glass on the link I provided is I think in this document as well. So there is more than one item in PGK that reminds me of your becher.
The becher on page 9 (dated c.1900) is very similar in shape and also in the design effect somehow.
I hope I'm right ;D I think I am ;)
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Looks promising,thanks m!