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Title: Odd old wine glass, cut with gold paint
Post by: cubby01 on November 06, 2013, 04:31:53 PM

I'm not even sure where to start with this one.  On the one hand it's clunky and lacking some fineness.  On the other hand some skilled work was put into it and the decoration (what's left of it) to me implies some degree of specialness associated with it.

It's 5-1/4" tall.  The rim is just under 2-1/4" and the foot is a bit more than 2-1/4 across.  The bowl of the glass is 10 sided with cut panels. 

The stem/foot is what I call 'clunky'.  The stem is 3/4" thick.  The foot is about 5/16" thick at the edge and the bottom is polished completely flat across. 

Any guesses as to how old it is?   Any idea where it came from?  Seen one before?

TIA,

Title: Re: Odd old wine glass, cut with gold paint
Post by: Paul S. on November 06, 2013, 04:54:53 PM

the gilt decoration and completely flat foot would indicate not British  -  beyond which regret I'm unable to help.          The cut rim is also a feature, usually, of Continental production.              French possibly, or further east maybe (Bohemian/German) - and date wise can only suggest second half C19.

Perhaps Peter will have a more accurate suggestion.

Nice example though. :)

Title: Re: Odd old wine glass, cut with gold paint
Post by: cubby01 on November 06, 2013, 05:03:36 PM

Thank you Paul.  No regrets, that was helpful.  Bohemian let to some images that at least suggest the right part of the world. :D

Title: Re: Odd old wine glass, cut with gold paint
Post by: Paul S. on November 06, 2013, 06:09:52 PM

just to add that I believe the stem shape is often called a 'capstan stem'  -  the origin being the obvious maritime contraption which employed a manual rotating winch system to tighten cables/chains etc. 

Title: Re: Odd old wine glass, cut with gold paint
Post by: Antwerp1954 on November 06, 2013, 06:35:00 PM

I'd also go for German. Thuringia? Saxony! Hesse?

Title: Re: Odd old wine glass, cut with gold paint
Post by: Antwerp1954 on November 06, 2013, 06:36:15 PM

Is the pontil mark polished?

Title: Re: Odd old wine glass, cut with gold paint
Post by: Ivo on November 06, 2013, 06:56:38 PM

Bohemia. And it is not a drinking glass but a footed goblet. Only the foot is too small for the likes of the goblet - so it may have been recut and the edges filled in with gold - hence the wonky aspect. The foot as expected is ground flat and polished.

Title: Re: Odd old wine glass, cut with gold paint
Post by: flying free on November 06, 2013, 08:22:13 PM

If you try searching using this

Fußbecher

lots will come up.  I've seen that odd vertical pattern before on something.  I'll have a look through my books later and see if I can find similar.
I'm not sure about that foot.  It does look odd in the photo but if it is the same diameter as in the rim then it might be right maybe?  the cutting on it looks good whatever, as each angle is bevelled and the gold looks ok as well.
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Title: Re: Odd old wine glass, cut with gold paint
Post by: cubby01 on November 06, 2013, 10:08:47 PM

I think the foot is correct.  If it looks smaller in the photo it's an optical illusion.   I pulled out the calipers.  The foot is 62mm wide, just about the same size as the widest part of the body.  The top rim is 56mm across (external).

'Fußbecher' was indeed helpful.  I've now seen pictures of other goblets of similar shape and size with the foot cut 10 sided this way.   Unfortunately the body was not panel cut as this one is.   Pretty much most I saw similar attributed as Bohemian ranging from mid 1800s to 1900 or there abouts.  There is a huge variety of glass goblets from this area.  It's not something I've delved into much before.  Along the way I learned a bit about 'Biedermeier Glas' and even stumbled on the maker of some mid-century modern German stemware I have.

Thanks for all the contributions in the thread.