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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: w84it on November 28, 2013, 05:43:13 PM
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Now that the auction has finished, I feel able to ask if you feel the following is a fake or genuine.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Paul-Ysart-Vintage-Lampwork-Flower-and-Latticino-basket-paperweight-with-PY-Cane-/321253165596?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=0IRHncTPhV50IIrHlmUbU2U%252F1uY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
The size of the winning bid (not mine!) suggests a fake. I can't make up my mind whether it has the dropped P cane or not. And in the absence of Kev's terrific website, I'm lost.
Thanks
Keith
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Hi Keithy
I was pretty sure (sort of 99.5%) that it was a fake, and did not bid.
Alan
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has something similar with those flowers on, been on the board recently and in question?
I'll have a look to see if I can find the thread.
Perhaps this one I was thinking of? Unfortunately the flowers don't enlarge any more to see the detail
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PAUL-YSART-VASE-OF-FLOWERS-PAPERWEIGHT-/321115816617?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Inv8uf8oUVnjSZvxWdYcx1CaU%252Bo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
m
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Hi
Hmmmm I was pretty sure it was genuine but wasn't too bothered if I won this one but I put in a bid that I didn't really expect to be succesful,and to my surprise won.
To me it didn't seem to bethe dropped Y, the cane formation of the PY looks correct the Y formed as a V with a straight down piece attached the fakes seem to be a long angled down stroke with a short angled piece attached.
The flowers conform to genuine ones I have had before, the only slight doubt I had is it's not too clear if the P is the correct colour and the spacing of the flowers could be better.
I'll let you know when it arrives.
Nick
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You know the more I look at it now, I'm not so sure it's right ???
Nick
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I'd vote fake.
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The weight is definitely one of the fakes. And so is the other one that "m" referred to.
The "dropped Y" version of the false "py" cane can look as though the colours of the "p" and "y" are both pink, but close scrutiny always shows the "p" to be a shade of orange (and sometimes quite yellowish). See the four examples below, showing variations in shapes and colouring (Sorry, but I don't have larger versions of those images.)
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Thanks all, yes I have come now to the same conclusion, it hadn't been marked as dispatched so I had asked the seller to confirm the colours but by then she had already posted it. My mistake there but I guess it will have to go back.
Nick
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just a thought if the seller had just put py cane could you have sent it back as they would have described it right. but they have said it was a paul ysart cane they dont have a leg to stand on.
stew
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No, you couldn't send it back. Though if you say I want to send it back Paypal will automatically fall on your side and let you return it......
If someone has said it has a PY cane and it does, it's up to you to work out if it's Paul Ysart or someone else......
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I can send it back as the seller describes it as Paul Ysart which it's not, so it is not as described and as such against ebay's policies.
Also the seller does in fact have a returns policy of within 7 days of receipt. I did contact the seller before it had been marked as dispatched to confirm the PY letter colours and sadly was just too late as she had posted it. I have told her of my concerns and I am to contact her on receipt to discuss further.
Not the first mistake I've made with a purchase and I'm sure it wont be the last, must be more vigilant in future though.
Nick
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In the original item title 'Paul Ysart Vintage Lampwork Flower and Latticino basket paperweight with PY Cane' you might well argue that the words 'Paul Ysart' are being used to qualify 'Vintage', and not 'paperweight' - ie indicating the period to which it dates rather than the maker. If it had said 'Vintage Paul Ysart paperweight', I think that would be a different matter.
Alan
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Alan, I understand what you are saying but I would argue that 'Paul Ysart...' defines the maker of the weight i.e. by Paul Ysart, and the rest of the sentence, '...Vintage Lampwork Flower and Latticino basket paperweight with PY cane' describes the paperweight date period and style and the fact it has a PY cane in it.
I would say if the seller tried to use your argument that would be a weasel description.
I check details now before bidding - I've just passed on a piece I really wanted to buy because the seller could not describe the 'graze' adequately enough to me and the style of vase made it impossible to photograph the 'graze' well enough to see exactly what it was.
m
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Hi m.
I don't disagree. I think your post illustrates the problem with eBay titles - they are necessarily compact, but there is also the 'Eats, Shoots and Leaves' issue: namely the abysmal understanding within much of the population of correct grammatical constructions.
In the title in question the degree of separation between 'Paul Ysart' and 'paperweight' is enough to cause confusion, as is the introduction of the word 'vintage' directly after 'Paul Ysart'. Various permutations of the words would have made the definition more specific. Consider for example:
' Paul Ysart paperweight Vintage Lampwork Flower and Latticino basket with PY Cane '
' Paul Ysart paperweight with PY Cane Vintage Lampwork Flower and Latticino basket '
' Vintage Paul Ysart paperweight Lampwork Flower and Latticino basket with PY Cane '
' Vintage Paul Ysart paperweight with PY Cane Lampwork Flower and Latticino basket '
All four signify to me that the item is being sold as a Paul Ysart paperweight without any room for doubt. Whether the weasel wording of the original was intentional or not, who knows...
Alan
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I agree :)
m
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Off course too the situation where the seller gets it totally wrong and the shrewd buyer ends up with a quality weight for peanuts ;)
Chris
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I don't know Chris because I've never bought a 'cheap' paperweight. I've bought weights because I like them, and I've never been the only bidder unless I've bought a buy it now. So I can't comment.
I have on the other hand bought other glass that's worth more than I paid for it.
Mainly because I have lots of books, and do lots of research and I recognised what it was but few others did.
In my opinion there is a difference between the two things.
I paid a LOT of money for my books and I read them and know the pieces in them. I also do a lot of research. So the money I spent means I have knowledge that I can use to buy something. Even having done that though, I can't remember the last time I bought a truly good piece of glass and was the only bidder.
That is not the same as selling something using words that can be misconstrued.
m
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I just wanted to make it clear that in my post above, I was responding to Chris's post as a general observation. I was not implying any particular seller had used words deliberately to be misconstrued (just in case my post was misread as such).
Thanks
m