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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: bat20 on November 29, 2013, 08:20:35 AM
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Hi all,i have to admit to being disappointed when i picked it up because it is so light and there was no Scandinavian signature of any sort ???,but after hours trawling the intoe i'm fairly sure it's Whitefriars soda glass midnight blue colour from 62,17cm ish ht it sits well and i like the form but i'm guessing not the sexy Whitefriars everybody is after,any thoughts many thanks.
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I would give it a yes they also made a table lamp with a teak base for Heals in that Pattern I have one .
The Lamp is rare ish I only know of two Emmi has the other one .
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Many thanks John.
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Yes! I had one of these in amethyst. :) Like yours mine also had a pontil mark -and when I asked on W/f.com I was told that there were a few of these made in full lead crystal which are the ones with the pontil marks, whereas the later soda ones don't have that and they are much lighter. It's heavy, yes?
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No it's light,interesting Anne, so the soda glass didn't have a pontil,i just took it for granted when something is mould blown it would have a pontil of some sort plus and i did find one described as Wf soda glass with a ground pontil >:(,did you ever find out who made yours.
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That's all I can tell you about it really, the W/f.com people confirmed it as Whitefriars, and I listed it on eBay as such with a link to the site and it sold without any problems, so I assumed they were correct in what they told me. :)
The pics of mine are in my gallery if you want to take a peek - the info from the Whitefriars peeps is there also:
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pid=657 <-- vase
http://yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/displayimage.php?pid=664 <-- pontil mark
Edited to add: all the dimensions are with the images too if you want to compare them? :)
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I would think made from tother end , hence cracked of polished top = no pontil . ??? :-\
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JP I think the original poster is querying the information that Anne was told compared to his/her own vase - i.e. that later ones were not lead crystal and were soda glass and did not have pontil marks, because the original poster's vase has a firepolished rim and a polished pontil mark but it is light, not lead crystal. So it doesn't match the description Anne was given?
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not that I know anything about these pieces, but thought the following, quoted from Jackson, might be of interest.............
Described in the book as "Angular mould-blown soda glass...... lightweight turn mould-blown".................. but of more interest perhaps is the entry from the Glossary for 'turn mould-blown', which reads..........."Smooth-sided mould into which molten glass is blown whilst being spun round on the blowing iron"
As would be expected, the rim would need finishing after detaching from the blowing iron, and this is done, usually, by attaching the pontil rod to the base, which in turn needs to be ground/polished to remove the scar.
Presumably more difficult to spin the heavier lead crystal examples, as opposed to the soda glass pieces - just possibly might imply that these lighter ones could have their rims finished by being held in some way other than on a pontil rod. ????
"Whitefriars Glass - The Art of James Powell & Sons' - Edited by Leslie Jackson - 1996......... pp. 136 and 152 (reference to plate 48 is in error - should read plate 148).
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sorry, not entirely sure I understand Pete's comment .... "did you ever find out who made yours." Is Pete asking if the glassblower's name is known?? or is Pete doubting the attribution ?? ???
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Rims can be fire polished with a gas flame - that is how they do it at Dartington. They have a special machine for their wine glasses. It may not work so well with thicker glass
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Who's Pete? ???mines defo soda glass and i think Anne was saying the Wf folk said they were pontilless , but did make crystal ones of that shape with a pontil.
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Thanks for the photo Anne,the shape looks the same,the tops are both 2.5 inches,heights are close yours 6.75 inches and mine just under 7,the base on yours 2 inches and mine 3.25 inches.Mine has no ring to it and is very light.
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apologies - obviously I'm petering out ;) although still confused as to why you were asking for maker of Anne's example when it had already been attributed to W/Fs ???
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Yes i think i need a lie down :),i didn't get Annes post at first ,but i think her's is crystal and mine is soda,or is it?or have the Wf"s lot got it wrong.
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They made several changes on that range and others , the glass and the way they were made is all I was saying the ones that were to become lamps were probably different again . They were constantly changing things to keep the cost down as the competition got harder so if they found a way to reduce costs bingo . They still went bust .
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By coincidence handled another of these vases today, in lead crystal rather than soda glass, the difference in weight is striking. The crystal variant was quite a bit thicker walled too and of course had a polished pontil mark.
John