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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: bat20 on December 06, 2013, 04:44:43 PM
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Hi peps,i'm afraid i can't seem to find this mark,any ideas many thanks.
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Looks very much like Thomas Webb 'Bristol Blue' collection,mid 1970's,have a few myself, ::) ;D ;D
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well done Keith - now we know who's got them all ;)
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Yup, but it would appear that they're marked with MY initial. ;)
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Thanks Keith,a very tactile piece of glass and the weight feels just right for some reason.
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is the 'S' for Stourbridge Keith (as with Webb Corbett) - or something else??
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It might be the very scarce Webb second mark.
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I've just had a look on great glass and i think the letter S is for Stourbridge,it would normaly be found in the centre of the Webb Corbett made in England mark dating it to 1947 to 52.
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Not seen a T.Webb piece with an 'S' but who knows ? ;D ;D
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This one seems to be a bit of a mystery,has anyone got a Webb Corbett 'S' to compare.
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in the interests of quickness..........if you look at the Board's 'Our Glass Gallery' - the 05 Crystal Patterns = page 10 - item five WEC14 .....there is an S showing.........albeit not too good a pic. Wonder who took that snap ?? ;) ;)
There've been other reasons for the existence of upper case S...........Stuart connection with Stonier for example, but I've a feeling that connection disappeared before the late 70's when your stick was made.
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even quicker had I attached the picture.............. http://www.yobunny.org.uk/glassgallery/displayimage.php?pos=-16790
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Is there not a T for Tutbury in the middle of some W-C marks?
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there is Sue - but what has that to do with this S ??? ;) ;) please tell us of the connection :)
I'm not aware of having seen this mark on T/Webb before................
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bat20 said;
"I've just had a look on great glass and i think the letter S is for Stourbridge,it would normaly be found in the centre of the Webb Corbett made in England mark dating it to 1947 to 52."
The Tutbury made Webb-Corbett is marked for Tutbury. I was merely supporting the notion that W-C might have put an S in for glass made at Stourbridge.
I don't think I've seen any with an S mark myself. But I have seen loads with T in.
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W.C. did indeed put an S for Stourbridge.........but we're not talking about W.C...........this is a T/Webb stick ;) :)
attached is a better shot of the W.C. letter S for Stourbridge - even I'm confused now ;D ;)
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What a tangled Webb we weave. ;)
My confusion, Paul, sorry.
I've never heard of Thomas Webb, (well, only as much older than Webb-Corbett) and just assumed (wrongly) it was Webb Corbett, because this stick dates to the 1970s. (Keith's post)
My brain misses things out and leaps to some very strange conclusions sometimes.
I have some neurological/immunological problems. :-\
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hi Sue - think we all got a bit tangled on this one :-*
the suggestion of a 'second' I suppose is still a possibility - I've not had that much experience of T/Webb's 1970's 'Bristio Blue' range to know if that was something they did - neither has Keith it seems.
Is all of T/Webb glass made in Stourbridge? - if it is then I don't see why the factory would draw attention specifically to that fact. It was different for W/Corbett, since they manufactured in both Stourbridge and Tutbury.
So, really no wiser. :)
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It does have a blemish on the rim from the making,so it could be a second, it would be surprising they would go to that trouble,but hopefully someone else might have the same mark with a flaw to confirm.
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Have looked at the ones I have and they all have the same mark,apart from one of the decanters,none of my other Webb pieces have an 'S' mark although not all are marked,why some and not others who knows, ::) ;D ;D
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It is almost certain that a Thomas Webb piece with that 'S' mark would be a Second. All the later Webb pieces I have come with the usual 3-line acid etched mark, so the absence of this leads to this conclusion.
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Hello David, I've gone over my candle stick with a lens and can't find a thing wrong with it, no dents, bubbles, wonkyness nothing, if it is a second they must have been very fussy in the product control dep't, ::) ;D ;D
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On the same tack, I have a few Stuart 'seconds' dating back to the 1920s, which have the -S- mark. Like you I often can't see anything wrong with them, but the must have been some reason for not accepting these as a 'first'. Perhaps the quality control is just beyond our best scrutinisations! ;D
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Could be, ;D I've just measured mine at it's half inch shorter than the blue ones, would this qualify it as being a second ? ::) ;D
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Yes, almost certainly - closer scrutiny, y'see! ;)
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I would guess the 's' mark is alot rarer than the T Webb mark itself and a must for the serious collector. ::) ;D ;D
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the -S- mark on Stuart will be for Stonier I think, not second