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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: agincourt17 on December 07, 2013, 07:41:04 PM
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A small urn-shaped stoppered pot of frosted glass; 10cm high with a maximum diameter of 6.5cm. The shoulders of the pot body have an embossed border of petals or leaf tips, and the lid of the hollow stopper is embossed to resemble a flower head. The base is embossed REGd. No. 717747 and 5549.
(Permission for the re-use of the images on the GMB granted by Christine Gojke).
RD 717747 is not listed at http://www.great-glass.co.uk/glass%20notes/regnos08.htm.
The design should have been registered between September 1925 and February 1926.
Is RD 717747 in the Blue Book? If so, would some kind GMB member let me have the precise registration details, please?
Fred.
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hi Fred - it's coupled with 717746, and was Registered to International Bottle Co., Ltd., on 12th December 1925.
No idea what 5549 means, although suspect a manufacturers pattern or design No.
I'd have said a pickle, but it looks a tad short for that - however, still might be - stopper is very typical of pickle stopper.
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More likely talc or bath salts with that flowery top
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Thank you, Paul and Christine.
I though that it was probably for cosmetics of some kind, and bath salts especially was likely to be in a container with a wide stoppered top rather than a screw lidded top. Perfume or other liquid would have been in a container with a much narrower stoppered neck.
Fred.
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yes, I have to admit that you're both probably correct, and on reflection the satinized/frosted surface almost certainly means for cosmetics and not pickles - after all, you'd want to see your pickles ;)
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I just bought a green pot the same as this, not uranium, this company also made another novelty bottle I have which is a dog, they are very small bottles I thought possibly for smelling salts ? this company has been discussed here previously, see pic of my Dog shaped bottle here... http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,22056.msg346641.html#msg346641
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Last picture (in this post) to give you an idea of scale alongside a Walther small trinket pot.
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Did we ever find out what 717746 was for which also IBC and Registered on the same date?
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Christine has another piece by this company ...http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1460
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thanks - Christine's is another one that originally was one of a pair Registered on 13th August 1926, its other half being 723257 - seems to be a habit that these IBC Registrations come along in pairs............. just possible perhaps that it was a method of IBC that they Registered the shape and decoration, of each item, separately - thus creating two Nos. :-\
Unfortunately, it will be a forgone conclusion that the Kew Register will simply record the Registrant as IBC - there won't be any help toward knowing the source of manufacture - that's assuming it wasn't made in the U.K.
Just out of interest I'll look at the original drawing etc. when I next visit Kew, and hope to put some pix up on the Board.
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That would be interesting thanks Paul...does it mean that the pot and the lid were registered as separate designs ? Maybe the lid fits other pots as well ?
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I could be very wrong, but wouldn't have thought that lids were registered separately to the bodies....... but who knows?
You may well be correct, and lids may have been designed with versatility in mind ...... am afraid we're going to have to wait till I've seen the original drawings for these Registrations to know for sure. :)
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I was thinking back to the basket by Greener when the handle and basket has separate reg no...can't wait to see drawings now lol
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well, obviously you know vastly more about these things than me - in fact most people probably do ;D - I know very little about glass, and had either forgotten completely or didn't know in the first place, that this Greener basket was covered by two Registration Nos. - my knowledge of glass tends to be rather superficial - but I do take some very good pix ;)
Have I posted pix of the Kew drawings for this Greener design previously, Angela, and is it a lozenge period design??
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The basket Reg no 138051 for 14 Nov 1889 and then the handle Reg no 145580 11 Mar 1890 :)
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thanks - obviously not a lozenge design since they ceased early in 1884 - I can look at these 1889 and 1890 items at Kew when I next visit, unless in the meantime Fred tells me I've already done them
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As far as I am aware, Paul, you haven't posted design representations for either Reg. no. 138051 or Reg. no 145580.
Fred.
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thanks Fred - they will be on my 'to do' list when I next visit.
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I was thinking back to the basket by Greener when the handle and basket has separate reg no...can't wait to see drawings now lol
I have one of those as well! Mine has 138051 on the rim. :)
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Look closely where the handle joins the basket on inside the handle reg no is just there Anne :)
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OK I shall Angela, thanks, when I can remember where I've put it! :)
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these Greener Rds. 138051 and 145580 covering the pressed bowl decoration and rope twist handle are separated in date by something like four months, so always possible I suppose that the earlier of the two was used on its own before the appearance of the later design - when they were combined and appeared together on this handled basket. Of course, I don't know whether this actually happened, could be just a wrong assumption :)
Pix for both now attached.
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some of these threads deviate more than a bit - can make it difficult after some weeks to work out which one is needed if you're intending to add something at a later date. Anyway, in an effort to get back to the original subject of IBC etc. :)
Attached are National Archive pictures for International Bottle Co Registrations Nos. 717746 - 47 and 723256 - 57......... there are six pix, so they will spill over to the next post.
Hope of some use.
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and the final two pix for IBC Rd. 723257.
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Thank you for showing these, Paul.
I will add them to the GMB RD database in due course.
Just for information, I attach a photo of the RD 723256 jar in green uranium glass (complete with metal cap).
Interestingly, the repeating stylised roses design on the RD 723257 jar echoes that of the IBC RD 719176 jar of 20 February 1926, and I attach photos of a pair of jars in peachy pink glass marked RD 719176 for reference. (Permission for the re-use of the RD 719176 images on the GMB granted by herbiehicks).
Fred.
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nice jars Fred - with all those stylized roses, perhaps someone in 1926 was still flying the flag for the Glasgow School of Art. ;)
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Very interesting ..thanks Paul :)
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Made for Dubarry...just found this advertisement..https://www.cosmeticsandskin.com/efe/day-night.php
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Well found (though I hate those type of ads - so unbelievably patronising!)
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