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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: brucebanner on December 20, 2013, 05:58:00 PM
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Hello there, i picked this is up with a decanter a couple of days ago, the decanter is on one of my posts and dated to roughly the same age as this. It's pressed glass, lead crystal and has lot's of "grit" i think you call it (white particles within the glass). There is no wear at all on it anywhere even on the facing edges or damage with just a tiny amount wear to the base, i'ts dated either I for 1872 or P for 1877 there are no other makers marks that i can see, i'm not really sure what it's for.
It measures 10 inches across the rim and 7 inches across the base, regards Chris.
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It's a cake stand.
A bit fashionable again at the moment, with the current trend for tiny sponges, suffocated by a ton of chemically coloured sugar. ;)
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isn't it read from top to right and round 3, E, I, 5?
The letter on the right looks like an E to me so wouldn't it date to July (I) 1881 (E) as it ha s number at the top?
I've no idea but it reminds me of a rd design plate I had that was Davidson's.
Have just checked but I couldn't see any registered July 1881 though -- sorry.
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perhaps Fred or Neil will recognize the pattern. I've tried going through the images for the second diamond group, but don't see a cake stand that matches. It may be that whatever was being Registered was not first Registered on such a shaped piece. Can't read the figures on the diamond properly - try taking a blu-tack impression perhaps.
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Well I'm gonna go for 3-Y-1-6 which would be 1879 and match up with John Shaw & Sons, Sheffield, according to Slack. Not a name with which I am familiar.
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I have a few quite pieces of Victorian pressed glass, a lot of it rings and vibrates better than crystal, i should create a program to define tones and frequency at which lead content effects the sound and pitch of glass once tapped, but i fear if i could, only a handful of people would be interested and i would not make my fortune. Middle right letter is either an i or a p, i have tried the blue tack but the impression was to faint.
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It is Sowerby's pattern 1054, which appears in their pattern book XI (1885).
The design was registered on 31 July 1873 - Parcel 5 (so the lozenge should read 31-F-I-5), and the registered design number is 274743.
Pre-1876, so no Sowerby peacock head trademark
The design registration is presumably for the decorative pattern, because there are several shapes bearing the same lozenge.
See the thumbnails on the GMB RD photo reference database at
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=763&page=13
Fred.
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Thanks for your help guys i'll take a few more pictures of the mark in daylight and see if it comes out a bit clearer. what is this "slack" neil ?
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‘Slack’ refers to the core reference book “ English Pressed Glass 1830-1900” by Raymond Slack, first published in 1987 by Barrie & Jenkins Ltd., ISBN 0712618716.
Particularly useful for its chronological list of design registrations 1842-1900 (giving year, date of registration, registered number and details of manufacturer or registrant.
Long out of print, with second-hand copies currently fetching £16.89 upwards on www.Amazon.co.uk. Well worth getting a copy.
Fred.
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Ok Fred thanks for that i'll get a copy and looking again with my loupe it does look like an F, it's the old case when you know it's obvious, i could keep everyone on here entertained for years i do hope it's not getting on poeples nerves me posting so much?
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I'm amazed at such a low price............. I'm sure that most of us have paid considerably more :'(. Which page of the 06 is it on Fred??
Here is the link to our quite recent conversations about this pattern.......... must admit I didn't recognize the design from this piece.....well don Fred. http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,54129.msg306922.html#msg306922
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"i do hope it's not getting on poeples nerves me posting so much?"
Speaking for myself i've learnt alot from your posts Chris,so it's fine with me :)
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Normally, we prefer folk to stick to a general loose "rule" of please, no more than 3 new posts/enquiries a day.
It's only really to stop other folks' posts disappearing off the end of the front page and getting lost or missed, and it's not been overly busy, so you haven't caused any problems.
I assume you are going to be around for a good while yet? ;D
I've been here since 2004...
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Thank you for posting the link, Paul.
Perhaps I should seek commission for recommendations from Amazon - there were 10 copies of 'Slack' available from £16.89 when I posted my reply, but now there are only 8 from £38.50; the two cheapest copies have obviously been snapped up (possibly by astute GMB members?). See http://www.amazon.co.uk/English-Pressed-Glass-Raymond-Slack/dp/0712618716/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387631822&sr=8-1&keywords=slack+english+glass (http://www.amazon.co.uk/English-Pressed-Glass-Raymond-Slack/dp/0712618716/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387631822&sr=8-1&keywords=slack+english+glass)
I spent 30 years dealing in specialist out-of-print reference books and I would have thought that any really decent copy for less than £30 was a reasonable bargain - £40 for an ex-lib copy with a worn dustjacket is probably pushing it bit, and anyone asking £65+ for a copy will need crossed fingers on both hands and several wishbones at Christmas to stand a fighting chance of selling it. But who knows? ... value (like beauty) is in the eye of the beholder.
Fred.
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Possibly me saying...................'amazed at such a low price' .............. do you think I might also share any Amazon commission. ;)
From memory think I paid about £60 :o..... but I did then get Ray to sign my copy.
He told me in coversation some time back that the print run had been 2000 copies......... I suppose book availability depends on how popular pessed glass is at any given time............. I don't know whether there is currently a peak in collectors of this stuff :-\
Specialist books are usually expensive to buy, unfortunately.
quote........................"I've been here since 2004".......... gosh, how time flies. ;D ;D and haven't we had some good conversations Sue :-*
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;)
I do keep coming back for more, Paul! :-*
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I have a few quite pieces of Victorian pressed glass, a lot of it rings and vibrates better than crystal, i should create a program to define tones and frequency at which lead content effects the sound and pitch of glass once tapped, but i fear if i could, only a handful of people would be interested and i would not make my fortune. Middle right letter is either an i or a p, i have tried the blue tack but the impression was to faint.
The resonant frequency of a body is a function not just of the material's Young's Modulus but also of its shape. Simple shapes, e.g. Laminas and strings can be modelled and frequencies can be predicted with the use of partial differential equations and numerical analysis. Good luck with any shape more sophisticated. I look forward to seeing your program and the associated maths. What are you like on fourth order partial differential equations in four or five variables?
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I was fine on them back in '74, during 6th year studies Maths, but I've forgotten.
I do like a glass harmonium though. ;D
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If you could solve a partial differntial equation, no matter how simple, in the 6th form then I assume you were/are a genius.
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go on Sue - tel 'em you were hot stuff at calculus ;D ;D
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or is that the stuff the dentist scrapes of your teeth ???
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I had a wonderful, pushy, ambitious (for her pupils) maths teacher, who should have been a uni. lecturer.
But I am incredibly grateful to her for bullying me relentlessly into doing my best.
The lady did not care that I ended up hating her at the time.
Thankfully, by the time I left, I did understand why she had been so vile to me and I did thank her for it. :)
My Dad dealt with my scalings and polishings, Paul. 8)
I've forgotten all the calculus I knew. :-[ 1974 was a while ago!