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Title: Webb water lily,question please.
Post by: keith on December 20, 2013, 07:45:59 PM
4 inches high,glows well and marked with the1934-49 logo,first piece I've seen and handled 'in the flesh' the question is the glass seems quite thin for Webb in comparison to all the other pieces I have,is this normal ? Father Christmas came early this year !
Title: Re: Webb water lily,question please.
Post by: keith on December 20, 2013, 07:47:46 PM
Oppps! just noticed I've posted this in the wrong section,sorry, ::) ::)
Title: Re: Webb water lily,question please.
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 20, 2013, 08:07:30 PM
Been using your new glass, Keith?
I've seen and handled Lustrousstone's Sunshine Amber waterlily vase - the glass IS very fine indeed.  8)

What a lovely early present!
(I've got one too, but I haven't opened it yet :P )
Title: Re: Webb water lily,question please.
Post by: keith on December 20, 2013, 08:26:19 PM
Thanks Sue,shouldn't have opened it but I'm a weak and feeble glass collector, ::) ::) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Webb water lily,question please.
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 20, 2013, 08:33:09 PM
Careful, I'm a feak and weeble collector too, and the parcel is sitting under the desk in the sitting room - (the tree is in the kitchen) and it is tempting me.
I'm pretty sure it's glass from the weight, and from the who-it-is-from. You are weakening my resolve.
I have/d resolved to wait until midnight on the 24th...  ::)
Title: Re: Webb water lily,question please.
Post by: Lustrousstone on December 20, 2013, 10:36:31 PM
My spies are watching you..

(PS It's lovely Keith)
Title: Re: Webb water lily,question please.
Post by: keith on December 21, 2013, 12:25:13 AM
Thanks Christine,I'm very freak and weebly I opened another yesterday,glass book this time, ::) ::) ;D
Title: Re: Webb water lily,question please.
Post by: Paul S. on December 21, 2013, 09:41:54 AM
very nice Keith - I'm evious. ;D            I have half a dozen of these u. Sunshine Amber water/lemonade tumblers, all backstamped, and they are attractive but uncut - so do you a swap. ;) ;)

By the way, what book did you get??
Title: Re: Webb water lily,question please.
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 21, 2013, 12:20:21 PM
Somebody should get you an advent calendar, Keith, then you could be opening little windows to count down to present opening time, instead of opening all your pressies now. ;D

I recieved a really exciting and unusual book last year. I haven't boasted about it yet, but this seems to be an appropriate place to do so!

It's , "Glass Flowers in the Ware Collection with 16 colour plates by Fritz Kredel". The story of the collection of naturalistic glass models of botanical specimens made by Leopold and Rudolph Blaschka.
Not only a fascinating and beautiful book, but it used to be owned by Helen Munroe-Turner.
How cool is that?
Title: Re: Webb water lily,question please.
Post by: Paul S. on December 21, 2013, 12:57:55 PM
sounds a great book Sue  -  is it signed by the lady?           Something that I believe the book collectors call an 'Association Copy'        Her cut-designed pieces must be rare - I've never seen one.
Title: Re: Webb water lily,question please.
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 21, 2013, 01:11:59 PM
It is signed; "Turner 1946" on the fly-leaf. 8)
It came from a very reputable giver  ;) who got it from a reputable source.
A Pada dealer who also has a bit of her studio work. I can't say I'm overly enamoured by it,  :-[ or his prices.
But it is a large white thing, and I'm not fond of white.

I 've not seen any of her cut work either, but I don't really go looking at cut stuff much, as you well know, Paul. ;D
Title: Re: Webb water lily,question please.
Post by: keith on December 21, 2013, 01:26:05 PM
Not had an advent calender since the kids were little,it was up for a week before the first window was to be opened,the day arrived and the eldest opened it to find the chocolate missing,the two youngest had eaten the lot and carefully closed the 'doors' ,kids ! ;D ;D
  Paul,it's A.Mc Connells 20th Century Glass, ;D
Title: Re: Webb water lily,question please.
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 21, 2013, 01:38:46 PM
I used to enjoy an advent candle.
It meant I got to "play with fire".  ;D
Title: Re: Webb water lily,question please.
Post by: Paul S. on December 21, 2013, 02:39:00 PM
quote......................."It meant I got to "play with fire".                   .............             thought you did that often, on the GMB :P ;D ;)

Really must get you into some great cut glass designs in 2014 :)

Title: Re: Webb water lily,question please.
Post by: Paul S. on December 21, 2013, 02:45:25 PM
Keith...........       I've always thought that to be one of the most generally useful books  ......   no great depth on anything, but gives a good overview and covers diverfe range of sources.    ........   ;D
Title: Re: Webb water lily,question please.
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 21, 2013, 04:38:21 PM
I have my 2 examples of etched glass. (And that will suffice for cut. It's cold worked.)
One, of a tiger in the undergrowth on a blue and green and yellow flashed charger, by Chris Ainslie.
The other, on clear glass, is my early '70s storm lantern by Alison Kinnard.

I may yet be tempted by the work of Lesley Pike. I can't afford the "Rainforest" cullet I want though.
It will be a matter of the right piece at the right time.

oooh, and I'm sure I'd quite like Denis Mann's "Duet".
(The blue etching of a male hand and a female hand playing discordant notes on a piano keyboard.)

Are you able to come up with any "cut designs" to compare with the likes of these, Paul? Huh??? :P  ;)  :-*
Title: Re: Webb water lily,question please.
Post by: Paul S. on December 21, 2013, 07:30:32 PM
I'd agree Sue that much British cut glass is lacking in imagination and gives the good material a bad press, although if you include wheel engraved then a lot of exciting glass comes to mind, but I could give you a very long list of cut pieces that I'd die to own.   
I think in GB we've always lacked the avant garde approach to art which stifled our creativity  -  just look at what some of the Continental factories were producing in the first third of the C20  -  I've a picture of a cut punch bowl and glasses by Jan Kotera for Wiener Werkstatte (1904) that I'm sure would float your boat.
But then I'm aslo of the opinion that GB got left behind - artistically - in just about all of the creative/craft arts.   

It's odd how some folk see nothing in clear glass, yet others find great beauty in the mitres and windows of lead glass that bring it to life with such refractive brilliance.

Clear glass is what you get by melting sand, simple beauty based on the glass workers ability without adding such superfluous adulteration as colour ;) ;)         
Title: Re: Webb water lily,question please.
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 21, 2013, 07:49:59 PM
Clear glass is suitable for windows and scientific work (and there is some truly amazing and beautiful lab glassware out there), but as far as art is concerned - it is a medium in which to scuplt colour and light.

It is also useful for Michael's wine, but he's got some Allister Malcolm "Platinum" goblets, which he vastly prefers to his Edinburgh Crystal "Iona"s. They languish at the back of a cupboard.
For beer, he uses a grey smoke coloured Wedgwood pint mug.

I prefer opals to deadly dull and boring diamonds any day, and in glass, I really don't see any difference between one load of death by a thousand cuts and the next.
It's just a geometrical pattern.  ::)

I like the fluidity of hot-worked glass, a moment, frozen in time.

For sparkles - I want sparklers. Moving, transient and ephemeral. ;D

The problem with Britain and art is Britain is still stuck trying to crawl out of the 19th century, as it is with many, many other things.