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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: mhgcgolfclub on January 29, 2014, 04:56:03 PM
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My latest buy for my new cut glass collection is this lidded sweetmeat.
Some of the cuts seem to match what Waterford were doing, but I would not like to say at present where when or who made it.
Height 7" / 18cm
Weight 560gm
Roy
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very nice piece Roy - back to that lattice cut foot then ;) You don't mention which cuts might relate to Waterford especially.
The cuts that I can see on this sweetmeat appear to be ............ fan-splits (fan escallop) - strawberry diamonds - step-cutting/prisms - mitres - facets on the knop.
Don't know if you have a copy of Phelps Warren yet, but I just had a look at those pages showing a few of the Samuel Miller Waterford patterns, and all of the cuts seen here can also be found on glass from that house - it was Waterford incidentally that became embroiled in the 'blue tint' story. I'm not able to see this particular shape in the book, but there must be acres more shapes and designs which are not included. Does this piece have any noticeable colour?
Problem is that all of your cuts can also be found on much other Irish glass from that period, although it may well be that certain combinations of cuts are more likely to be Waterford. Presumably you might send pix to one of the Irish museums - most museum seem to be helpful with request for attributions.
What in particular made you suggest Waterford? :)
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Hi Paul
Thanks for your reply as you say all the cuts can be found on Waterford I think but were also used by many other glass companies.
Carol bought the other 2 books you listed and I have just bought a copy of the Phelps Warren book for delivery tomorrow.
I will sends some pictures to some of the Irish museum and see if they can be of any help.
The colour of the piece is clear and bright , does look appear to be grey as the urn vase does.
Carol and I are mostly looking to buy any nice cut pieces , not so much the earlier plain pieces, the more heavily cut pieces and hope they are mostly pre 1900.
Thanks again Roy
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Roy ............. Did you mean to say "The colour of the piece is clear and bright , does look appear to be grey as the urn vase does." - or is there a 'not' missing. ;D
I think like most things you tend to 'get your eye in' after a while, and then possibly easier to tell the right from the wrong.
Most cut glass prior to about 1920 ish, doesn't really come with backstamps etc., so there's more of a need to understand styles of cutting, shapes, colour, seeds in order to help with origin - and even then rather hit and miss.
Collectors tend to like the history etc. that's behind Georgian/Regency glass, plus the lead coloured sparkle etc. and so the period has a sort mystique about it - to hold a piece that you know to be 200 plus years old can give a real buzz.
Pressed glass, imitating the cut equivalent, may well have killed off the previous volume of cut maerial that was being produced, and means that collector interest seems to fall away after c. 1830 ish, although I'm sure there was a lot of good cut stuff made during the mid Victorian period that gets ignored. You'll notice that most of the books include material only up to the end of George 4th's reign.
Think this is back to the old adage about buying what we like and enjoying looking at it, although it does need to be displayed well.
Do let us know if you get a positive response from Ireland, and we look forward to seeing Carol's finds some time ;D
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Hi Paul
Carol found these last night , I have not had to much time to look as got to go to work.
I think the first link is better, the vase with out the lid looks the same.
http://antiquesandartireland.com/2014/01/auction-irish-glass/
http://www.bhandl.co.uk/sales/assets/FS/2014/01/21/FS210114-ceramics.pdf
Roy
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I have had a little time to compare the vases side by side and although they are very similar there are some differences.
They are both the same height and the bases look the the same although the cutting on the main body is not identicle.
Looking at the two at the auction the right hand one looks more grey with the one on the left looking clearer brighter very much the same as mine.
Looking forward to receiving the Phelps Warren book today.
Roy & Carol
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We must try to encourage more folk to collect cut glass - you never know, we might even end up with a dedicated section on the Board ;) ;)
Hope you enjoy the books. :)