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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: glassobsessed on January 29, 2014, 06:00:50 PM
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I assume this has some age, perhaps late 19th or early 20th century. Is that about right and is it possible to attribute to a particular maker?
The dome is not at all smooth and there are bits of ash and frit scattered here there and everywhere, small snapped mark. 7cm in diameter and 4 and a bit cms high.
John
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Hi. I think it is hard to say exactly when some of these Murano scrambles were made. I think that the style and colour of the ribbons, and use of large amounts of aventurine indicate 20th century, perhaps 1930 - 1970 period. To attribute to a maker is very difficult, as some glass factories made canes that were sold to others to use in paperweights.
Alan
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Thanks Alan, much appreciated.
I have to say this is unlike any other weight I have handled and nothing like the scramble weights that I see occasionally on my travels. The colours are not bright like those of the 50s and beyond. It has the feel of age, the dome is uneven and pockmarked, bubbles, frit and ash abound and the glass has a slight grey tint. Contrasting with the colours the aventurine is bright and fine.
This weight came from an auction, there was another there that looked to have Fratelli Toso canes dating from around 1910 in it but it was badly damaged.
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Hi. I have been studying Murano canes for some time, and I am fascinated by your mention of dating specific Fratelli Toso canes to around 1910. Do you have any references or links to the source of this attribution - I would love to see them.
Alan
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Just the info in Leslie Pina's book on Fratelli Toso, chapter 2.
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Thanks.
Alan
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Here is an example, the cane with four red flowers, green stem and leaf. Page 32 shows a small vase with these same canes (dated 1900 - 1910). Sadly the book does not mention how long cane designs tended to be used for or whether they were revisited. It was my assumption that the chances were that this weight was contemporary to the vase, perhaps wishful thinking on my part.
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I would not rule out an earlier date for your scramble. I have come across quite a few that I thought were late 19th century, and although the glass was rather dark and poor quality, with surface imperfections, the ribbons etc inside were very muted reds, blues and greens - not like the brighter pinks and blues in yours, hence my suggestion on date. But maybe yours is an odd one with brighter colours?
Alan
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The colours do look a bit brighter in the photos than they do in 'the hand', perhaps something to do with my lights. Interesting, I will take another photo to compare when there is enough daylight, it is so overcast here today that my camera will struggle. Looks like there won't be a break in the rain clouds until Sunday!
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These are as 'au naturel' as I can make them.
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Is the way the base is finished on these Murano weights any indicator of age at all please?
Was there a 'timeframe' when they switched to polished flat bases I suppose is what I mean, rather than the snapped off pontil scar?
m
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Some of the canes.
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All I can add to the base finish question is that anything post 1950 (ish) seems to have had the base finished, nearly always by flat polishing, but just occasionally by gently concave polishing: I think I have seen half a dozen of the latter over the years. I have not seen any information about when that treatment actually started.
Alan
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Thank you Alan
m
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From what I can find looking online and in books this is what I have gleaned so far.
An uneven and low dome would be expected in a 19th century weight from Murano, likewise the snapped pontil mark.
Some of the canes in this weight match many in items made for Salviati from around 1870 to 1910, no doubt give or take the odd year.
For a cane with green threads twisted with aventurine on the outside see page 67 Venetian Glass of the 1890s: Salviati at Stanford University: Ewer a Retorti. The same or very similar cane can be seen in my photo 6 - on the right hand side.
For the matching blue and aventurine twist cane, page 83 Venetian Glass Confections in Glass. The same or very similar cane cane be seen in the centre of photo 6. The previous page also has several goblets made with the white thread and aventurine twist cane which were very widely used in Salviati's wares. For the same or very similar see photo 7.
For the matching pink thread and aventurine twist cane, page 51 Exquisite Glass Ornaments, item 114. Again photo 7 - at the bottom.
I have yet to find any examples of the matching yellow and aventurine cane, or the cane with threads of yellow, pink and green twisted around aventurine (very top photo 6). There is also a similar style cane in the weight but made of white threads wrapped around aventurine, quite like canes in the 'green' glass here: http://www.xupes.com/Antiques-Fine-Art/Product-Details/2722/SALVIATI-CO/Four-Italian-A-Penne-Glasses-19th-C.html
So for the time being my working assumption is this is a late 19th century weight containing the type of canes often used in items made for Salviati.