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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: ppicker on January 30, 2014, 09:46:46 PM
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Has anyone seen one like this and if so is it perfume or cruet its measurements are 9" high x 5" wide. I'm thinking its circa 1890.
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I do not know, but I think it is very attractive and am looking forward to seeing if someone comes up with an answer from which I can learn.
One thing that I can suggest is that it looks more like a Victorian design rather than an Art Nouveau design. Art Nouveau designs are more free flowing, sinuous, and nature based and often include asymetries. Because it is more Victorian I think that your guess of 1890 or so would be a reasonable estimate.
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Hello - not quite sure what is meant by 'a Victorian design' - might that be a reference to the heavier more gothic look that preceeded a/nouveau??
If the suggested date of 1890 were correct, then it might be expected to see a more nouveau look to the metalwork - handles in particular were quite distinctive in a 'free flowing, sinuous, and nature based' style, especially on Continental examples - the Brits, as usual were more reserved ;)
However, WMF are well known for producing copies of pre C19 styles ) - Baroque and Renaissance, around the 1900 period. I'm not remotely suggesting it's from them, but just to show that during the period of which were speaking anachronistic styles were being made.
To me the metalwork looks very much like a poor copy of a typically fussy Renaissance style with images of Bacchus - is the metalwork pewter perhaps? - and assume no marks.
Trefoil shaped pourers were quite common on alcohol decanters around the last quarter of the C19, so 1890 might well be correct - I somehow don't see this as a cruet or for perfume - and would suggest an origin outside the U.K. - perhaps German or Bohemian.
But then again, I've been very wrong in the past :)
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I don't suppose it might have been from Theresienthal might it?
I don't know anything about glass with metalwork, so I'm probably totally wrong, but I seem to recall seeing a set somewhere that they had done with gothic type metalwork on. :-\
There are some on here if you scroll down the page quite a bit. I'm sorry , I've no idea if they are the same quality or metalwork though.
http://www.steveonsteins.com/theresienthal-glass-steins-photo-examples-1-3
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I would suggest the style is very 1880s - neo-neoclassical meets neo-neobarock with touches of mad Ludwig of Bavaria. The metal could be zinc, lead, spelter - or any other alloy. As for makers, the quality looks a bit shoddy. If you google image "orivit" you get to see the better class of metalwork as a comparison. Orivit was later taken over by WMF - they share the same view on quality. So I would not bet on those two. Theresienthal is an option, of course.