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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: BRADBURY7308 on February 03, 2014, 08:46:09 PM
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This is a nice lump of glass very much in the studio glass taste, The main body is a very attractive amethyst/blue base colour with some nice swirls in colours very similar to the mdina colours green/white etc... The base is unusual it has a small broken pontil mark about 3/4" across. The vase itself is just under 6" tall and 5" at widest. There isnt much wear to the base. Plenty of air bubbles in glass the top hole is approx 1.5" wide. I feel this has some quality and a good weight but havent the faintest idea who or where it was made hopefully someone has?? Thanks for taking a look...
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How about a photo of the base please?
Ross
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I'm really confused by this. The amethyst colour seems right for Mdina, the shape could be an early "playing around" one that didn't end up in general production; it's not inconsistent with the output.
But I don't think it is. The silver chloride effects just don't look right, not for surface decor.
But if it's an early "playing around" one, who knows?
I like it. But I'd need to get my mitts on it before saying anything more.
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could also be Hebron glass of course.
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I have taken a few extra pictures and some with a early mdina amethyst bottle also for comparison very similar indeed the amethyst colour...
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My pictures have been cleaned up a bit and brightened with adobe photoshop
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Is that a snapped off pontil mark on the unknown bit, or has it been heat finished to smooth it off in a little roundy-shaped bit?
I'm still really unsure if it might be Mdina, but my guts feel not. It seems too finely blown, especially around the bottom, and I'm still not happy with the silver chloride effects.
I do think Ivo's suggestion of Hebron should be pursued.
Is there any good age-related wear to the base?
Sometimes, if it is very fine because the piece only has a tiny thin edge on which it actually sits, age-related wear to that is much more easily found with a fingernail than the eye. :)
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It is a bit of a mystery one sorry, The base is marked with a rough scar quite small just over an inch wide not very sharp though. The thickness of the glass is suprisingly similar actually and weight wise it does feel like mdina to me whether thats because you saw the similarities im not sure, When the two are in situ it looks preety right sadly your not here to see im sure you would be able to have it id yes or no quite quickly. The bottoms are very similar in construction on these two pieces ive shown.
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It would be interesting to compare the base with the base of one of John's "flattened" early experimental inside-outs, it's hard to work out what differences have ocurred because of the differences in shape...
(I don't have a flattened inside-out.)
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I sold a vase this exact shape but smaller a few months back which was isle of wight signed by michael harris but it was much smaller in size, Im not convinced either for what its worth but it has som much similarities mdina/iow pieces its crazy...
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Mr. Harris gained experience rapidly, he had a "knack", he was an absolute natural with hot glass.
The quality of his work increased at an exponential rate - not arithmetical... ::) ;D 8)
You really cannot compare his Mdina work with that at IoWSG.
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I don't think this is from Mdina. Ivo's suggestion of Hebron (or glass made in a similar way) seems more likely going by the photos. Looks more like coloured shards mixed in to give the cloudy effect rather than silver chloride inside the vessel.
Take a look at the links in this thread: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,53544.0.html
It would be interesting to compare the base with the base of one of John's "flattened" early experimental inside-outs
One has a flat polished base the other a very wide polished out pontil mark. Off hand I can not think of a single piece of Mdina with a snapped pontil mark.
John
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They are found only on chalices or goblets.
The only pieces I have with similar-ish silver chloride effects are all cased, not surface decorated.
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Of course, silly me!
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::) I had to go and search...
The only broken pontil marks found in IoWSG are the attenuated bottles, so I started on tall bottles from Mdina, before I spotted a couple of chalices which reminded me. It's not as if they're common bits. :)
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As soon as I read your reply I checked my one and only chalice, then I remembered I have sold half a dozen goblets in the last year and I probably still have photos showing the bases....
Isle of Wight goblets have snapped marks too (just checked): https://picasaweb.google.com/Johnmj100/EarlyIsleOfWightStudioGlass#5976918296712674994
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Good to know, I don't have one.
Getting back to the OP bit, despite all the similarities, including the correct shade of amethyst, I really don't think the consensus is that it could be Mdina, not even an early "experimental" bit. There is too much wrong about it too.
I trust my guts on this pretty much, I also trust John' guts. Although it has to be admitted, John and I have had our disagreements in the past, when both our sets of guts say NO, I'd trust them even more.
Thar doesn't mean it couldn't be something from the early days of the Studio Glass Movement... or Hebron.
I just don't know. Sorry. :(
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Hi Thankyou very much for your concerted efforts i know it must be very difficult without being able to see the piece in the flesh, Id also like to think it might be something made by somebody in this country in a studio!! It does have a similarity to mdina i hope it wasnt intended to decieve or copy, Anyway it cost me £3 and my mums stole it for her window sill as soon as she saw it so happy days all round thanks again for your expertise..
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At £3, it would be sitting on my shelves if I had seen it!
It is lovely. The features it has in common with Mdina are the features I love about it (Mdina).
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Managed to find a proper piece of mdina today, Thought id share it with you as it's a fairly dinky piece ive seen them similar but not this small before hope its ok to show...
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;D
'tis dinky indeed!
A very nice dinky, with a lovely yellow/ochre frothy inside from the use of silver chloride.
An early shape, used when MH was still there and used by the Boffos to create tiny jugs, wih the addition of a spout and an applied clear handle.
The mould was used after MH left too - these have been seen in pink splodges and white splodges, indicating into the '80s, but earlier are mostly blue or amethyst. Finding one with an ochre-y frothy inside is a little unusual. ;)
This is my little jug. It's a wee stonker. ;D