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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: RoyJ99 on February 24, 2014, 09:11:00 PM
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Picked this up at a local charity shop today. Hunting through all the glasses this one stood out to me, mainly because of the snapped pontil mark on the base.
Bucket bowl with a blade knop and wide foot. Dimensions are 10.5cm tall, 6cm across the bowl, 7cm across the base. The glass is fairly thick, the foot being thicker and domed. The base is slightly concave. Lots of striations and inclusions in the glass.
Apologies for the photos, my camera is not good in artificial light.
Thanks.
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Good find that one Roy looks early Victorian i have a good collection of these myself about a hundred although i'm never sure of the actual age of them, i have 3 the same or similar to yours but there in storage, i love all the different shapes and stems there very cheap considering the age, i'm sure someone else will be able to give you a more accurate date.
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Thanks, and you just saved me another post as I bought one exactly the same as the glass furthest to the right on your picture. I bought 3 glasses for 50p.
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That's a bargain, once you own one you will get addicted to collecting them. some people list these as 1840's 1850's some Georgian, i collect everything so i'ts tricky specialising in one thing, i think there cordial or spirit glasses, i'm sure Paul will put us straight.
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If you have a digital camera won't it let you change the settings to daylight and take a pic?
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Yeah but it always gives way better results in proper daylight. Seen them listed as Georgian myself and very new to antique glass so looking forward to some more input. Love this board and learning loads from it.
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don't think I can add much to what's already been said, and would agree they might date anywhere from c. 1810 to 1840 odd. I have three with folded feet, and as you'd expect those have pontil scars, and I've written c. 1820 on one of them.
In general, I get the impression that with the better quality examples they have double or triple stepped collars where the stem joins the bowl - and this sort are often of lead glass with a good ring.
Height is commonly around 10 - 11 cms., with feet less than flat and about 6 - 6.5 cms wide.
Probably a glass that was common in taverns and pubs - and although I'm not sure, many of them may well have been for port - many lack quality and are quite crude in manufacture. Origin wise, they could be from anywhere, so probably no point in speculating, other than to say that .......... it's possible that those with cut/polished/bevelled rims are Continental, and the same sort are sometimes found with heavy slicing on the bowl.
The cyst - where the stem joins the foot - is again very variable - it may just be that on the better quality examples this is smallish and well defined, rather than chunky and slightly irregular as on tavern pieces.
I've also noticed them in charity shops, occasionally, and they can often be found for £1 or less even - so obviously a very commonly made form of drinking glass in the first half of the C19.
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Hi Paul, thanks for the feedback. I have checked the collar and it is indeed double stepped and the glass has a nice ring to it, not the dull thud I would normally associate with glass. Can I ask what you mean by the "cyst"? Very new to glass and not a term I have heard before.
Thanks.
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Some better, larger photos showing the detail much clearer
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And some for those who prefer the photos on here
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my 'cyst' is not an entirely invented term - although I can't now find it in the books - but remember picking up this expression some time back. It's really just a useful word to describe the swelling/lump/thickening where the stem joins the foot - Not to be confused with genuine terracing or doming on first half C18 glasses. :)
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Thanks Paul, I have a lot of reading to do obviously. Can you recommend any books which cover 18th/19th century glass?
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for drinking glasses only, Bickerton is probably the best low budget volume - 'C18 English Drinking Glasses' - although his coverage is of British only - beyond that, some of the specialist books which include Continental material do become rather pricey.
For general collectable glass which includes the C18 and early C19...........
'Glass Through the Ages' - E. Barrington Haynes (paperback)
'English & Irish Glass' - Geoffrey Wills
'Irish Glass' - Phelps Warren - but make sure you get the completely revised 1981 book, and not the ealier volume.
'Investing in Georgian Glass' - Ward Lloyd.
'British Glass 1800 - 1914' - Charles Hajdamach.
should be enough to be getting on with. Of course, other people may have their favourites - so they may like to share their suggestions with us :)
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Thank you.
You're "low budget" choice of Bickerton's would appear to set me back at least £100 for a 2nd hand copy. Just ordered the Barrington Haynes book for £3. Will search the for others as well.
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Bicketons should be 4 quid, http://www.amazon.co.uk/English-Drinking-Glasses-16751825-Library/dp/085263661X/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393361276&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=bickerrton+glass
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Bickertons even
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Wierd, don't know wtf I was looking at lol.
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http://www.amazon.com/18th-Century-English-Drinking-Glasses/dp/0907462618
this is what I had searched for, ordered the other one now for £3 :)
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Hi ,
The Shires edition you have ordered is a small paperback and is completely different to the more expensive Bickerton which is a large format hardback,
cheers ,
Peter.
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unfortunately, Bickerton does seem to have escalated in price somewhat since I bought mine, but is essential if you collect C18 drinking glasses - try looking at it from the long haul point of view - if it costs you £100, then over ten years that works out at a mere 2.74p per day - the other books will be considerably less.