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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on March 27, 2014, 08:23:18 PM
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Must admit I didn't realize it was a pickle jar when I bought it - thought it might have been for preserves of some kind. However, there is something approx. similar in David's book (top of page 16), and the cut-out for a prong or fork is identical, so am going with a pickle - does anyone know what the fork looked like.
As you can imagine, the paint and chrome have suffered somewhat, and lid is a loose ish fit, so the smell of pickles/vinegar would no doubt have wafted.
Am assuming it is Spiderweb, but could be wrong - no marks of any kind that I can see, and am assuming mid 1950's.
thanks for looking. :)
Ref. 'Chance Expressions' - David P. Encill - 2007 (but out of print I believe)
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Chance it is Paul,here's my variant, ;D
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thanks Keith - very nice too - assume you don't have the pickle fork either ;D
Those Matthey Crinkles are much better at wearing than ordinary paint, which shows it's age fairly quickly.
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presume this one belongs to the Chance pickle set as well?
http://rubytuesdaysvintagehome.com/item_480/ZSOLD--A-DELIGHTFUL-VINTAGE-CRINOLINE-LADY-PICKLE-JAR-FORK.htm
No idea about the fork but I'm imagining something with two prongs and either a melamine pale yellow handle or one of those with the brown handle that is knobbled to look like wood? (thinking of my Grandma's ;D)
m
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spot on I think m - that is a very attractive bit of painting too. thanks for the link. :)
Looks to me like a dessert or table spoon being used - and although that may not be original, the profile of the spoon shaft would in fact fit the cut-out in the lid very well.
I collect pickles, so as it turned out this is a useful addition to my collection - all I need now is somewhere to put the things so they can be seen ;)
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Shelves are good for that Paul ;D
m
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I have plate rails, display cabinets with shelves, display units with shelves, two sheds, various cupboards, glass in boxes, glass standing in glass, glass in the loft etc. in fact glass in every room except the bogs (mind you come to think about it perhaps ;).................) - but nothing really good goes on the plate rails. :)
I do have my glass reference books on open shelves though, but not wise, since dirt collects on, and stains, the top edges of the pages - have a look at any book that's a few years old and been stored on an open shelf and you'll see what I mean.
Aside from collecting too wide a range of glass, there is the problem faced by all collectors of drinking glasses and other small pieces .......... which is that such items can be seen properly only when placed one deep on cabinet shelves, preferably within the height range of waist to top of head.
I've built four 4' x 4' glass fronted display cabinets especially for drinking glasses, custards, jellies, rinsers and finger bowls - and I still need more of that kind of space for tea mixing bowls, pickles, and celeries.
I also collect books, EPNS and plated flatware. You should have seen the boxes of pressed pieces that I gave to the charity shop last week - broke my heart to give some of it away - but it had been photographed - and it was getting to the stage where I couldn't get into the sheds.
thank goodness my sons have now gone - anyone got a spare museum they don't want ;)
How about we store some round your drum. ;D ;D
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yikes! that's a lot of glass :o
I don't do boxes. If I don't have shelf storage then it's got to go. I have 10 areas in the house that I use for the pieces I want to have out. I have one large storage shelf area in the spare room that has other glass that I treasure, so that alternates with what I have out.
The rest is glass I'm not interested in any more and for that I have quite a lot of storage behind closed cupboard doors - but frankly it all needs to go, it's just such a long process selling it.
I don't do boxes because sod's law is that I'll want to compare something and not be able to find the piece I want. That would drive me mad :)
My books are strewn around my desk, sometimes neatly piled up, other times strewn hither and thither on a flagstone floor - they will not be saleable as they are so well thumbed (and accidentally dropped in the case of the very heavy tomes) and I write on my books as well. I don't have a problem with that. I love books and the more they are used the better. That is what they are there for as far as I am concerned :)
m
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I can confirm it is Spiderweb. There were many variations on the enamelled, crinkled and gilded designs that I was hoping to document for Chance Additions*. The knobs/knops were equally numerous as well! This one is unusual, and I would appreciate the high-resolution photo if you don't mind, to include in the next book. The pickle came with a fork and the preserve (essentially the same jar and lid) came with a spoon.
Ref. 'Chance Expressions' - David P. Encill - 2007 (but out of print I believe)]Ref. 'Chance Expressions' - David P. Encill - 2007 (but out of print I believe)
NO! Still available and always will be while I'm still alive. :D
* Still in progress - will be coming out soon - only yesterday I purchased an item that will be included...
(where will it end? With Paul's pickle jar? I doubt that somehow! ;D )
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M,
No idea about the fork
From memory, I think this had one larger prong and two others IYSWIM. The spoon was fairly conventional, about the size of a teaspoon, but with a slightly pointed tip.
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thanks David - I get so accustomed to hearing that small run minority volumes end up out of print, and thought I'd heard that comment about yours - beg pardon. :)
Will photograph the lid finial and send to you over the weekend.
P.S. shouldn't add this here, but................this morning saw, but didn't buy, couple of oval/circular slumped rim dishes with looped lace border, and pix of butterflies in the centre - three in one dish and two in the other. Exotic looking bugs, but think one was a clouded yellow. Nothing like the butterfly items on page 69.
I don't see them in the book - do you know the items I'm trying to describe??
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I believe those with the looped border were probably made by Fiesta Glass Ltd, meaning after 1981. There are other examples with this border.
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o.k. thanks - not hugely desirable or rare then. :)
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Hi, that's a nice looking jar, I have one with the same knop but with a kingfisher painted on it.
I've attached a picture of it with a fork. This fork didn't come with this jar but I have bought two jars with this same fork so it's a fair bet it was one of the types originally supplied. I have also bought them with chrome forks in the past.
I hope this helps
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looks great, and thanks for posting - David will be spoiled for choice now ;)
This segmented finial keeps making me think of a pineapple, with those leafy bits sticking up. You have a few by the sound of it. I can only think this design is not a practical one - on mine the lid is far too loose fitting when compared to the ground glass stoppered pickles.
This morning I also saw simply the glass part of this item (with the horizontal moulding), unpainted - I forget what the book calls it now. :)
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Stuart's example will also be appearing in the book. With Denis & Dee's collection to fall on as well, I really am spoilt for choice. But it's surprising how many people - me included - who really look out for, and collect these jars. The knops can be found in many different guises. The one with a horseshoe - incredibly 1950s kitsch - is discussed elsewhere on the GMB (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,28453.msg154984.html#msg154984).
The plain ones are sometimes marked as 'celery'.
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this is the plain Spiderweb jar that I found yesterday morning - it doesn't carry the word celery, unfortunately.
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The commonest variety, Paul. I have three that are used to keep pens, pencils and small tools in. ;D
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thanks David - amazing how common small tools are ;)