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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: millarart on April 08, 2014, 10:57:53 AM
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heres my latest Monart purchase, a nice wee shape PD size 4 inches in height, rare shape, first one ive seen ever
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It's lovely, is it mainly yellow in the body or does it have orange in it? Pictures are only little.
Where do you get all your Monart from, there isn't any in my neck of the woods! ;D I'm very jealous.
This is my Monart HF - have you seen one like this with just the mottled colours throughout?
Roberta
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Gary has special agents on"the dark side" who help him find Monart, Roberta. That is the only explanation for his incredible good luck and fortune in tracking it down.
He has a specially modified nose to sniff it out in dark corners, he has extrasensory perception which pings when he approaches somewhere that has had anything Ysart-related close to it, and invisible 7 league boots to get him to it before anybody else can. ;D
I think it's called "total dedication". 8)
Very, very pretty thing, Gary. I LOVE the shape.
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It's lovely, is it mainly yellow in the body or does it have orange in it? Pictures are only little.
Where do you get all your Monart from, there isn't any in my neck of the woods! ;D I'm very jealous.
This is my Monart HF - have you seen one like this with just the mottled colours throughout?
Roberta
Hi Roberta, its mottled yellow and white with the neck in a bronze/brown mottling with gold adventurine , no orange, I have seen monart bowls in mottled orange though maybe different shade from yours, theres plenty Monart out there you just have to find it lol
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Gary has special agents on"the dark side" who help him find Monart, Roberta. That is the only explanation for his incredible good luck and fortune in tracking it down.
He has a specially modified nose to sniff it out in dark corners, he has extrasensory perception which pings when he approaches somewhere that has had anything Ysart-related close to it, and invisible 7 league boots to get him to it before anybody else can. ;D
I think it's called "total dedication". 8)
Very, very pretty thing, Gary. I LOVE the shape.
lol sue haha
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It's lovely, is it mainly yellow in the body or does it have orange in it? Pictures are only little.
Where do you get all your Monart from, there isn't any in my neck of the woods! ;D I'm very jealous.
This is my Monart HF - have you seen one like this with just the mottled colours throughout?
Roberta
whats the base like on your vase Roberta
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bigger pic
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next pic bigger
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one for Roberta
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;D Looks even more lovely in the bigger pictures! Unusual colour - don't see many like that. And a little size too.
My base - typical Monart - see picture.
I've just bought an ashtray and a bigger bowl (cracked a bit but I don't mind that) can't wait to get them next week!
As an aside, what do you think of this
JOHN MONCRIEFF LTD., PERTH `MONART` GLASS VASE, CIRCA 1930 at Lyon & Turnbull on 16/4/14
Doesn't look right to me ???
roberta
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I want it!!!!! Absolutely stunning. Sooooooooo jealous - well you know where to come if you ever need a new home for it.
Roberta
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Do you mean lot no 9? A turquoise vase? Looks right to me. :)
Editing to add;
But Gary says I'm completely wrong. Gary will be right!
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yes thats the one - the rim just seems wrong! Maybe its the angle the picture is taken at? Need to see the base.
if it is what shape is it?
roberta
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Sorry, I don't check shapes or catalogue numbers.
I just look at the glass and how it has been made. That is a known and very distinctive colourway, it couldn't be anything else. (I don't think so anyway. ;) )
eta. I'm wrong!
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I'm not sure - it looks like Monart but there is just something about that feels wrong - can't really explain why! The shape just seems off, unless it's just a really weird camera angle.
Come back Gary and give us your opinion, then I can ask for a base picture!
Roberta
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I do suspect a weird angle - probably taken from an angle slightly above the piece, looking down on it, which will make the rim look overly large and the base appear diminished in size, rather than taking it from straight on, actually LOOKING at the glass. (grrrr, why don't folk LOOK at what they are trying to represent!)
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yup nice, and I agree I seen the one at L&T and it looks nothing like monart
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I wonder if it could be one of those Czechoslovakia ones? - similar colours to the one pictured on Ysart glass .
Roberta
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I'm wrong then Gary?
Not Monart at all?
ooh err! (and thank goodness no hat eating was involved!)
All the "cellophane glass" I've seen has been orangey browny and clear, with aventurine. Are we considering the unknown Czech maker which does the combed bits with mica for this, or yet a. n. other unknown Czech maker?
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Have a look here: very similar colours
http://www.ysartglass.com/Ysart/NotYsart.htm
Roberta
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;D
That is why I did suspect Monart. It's those images that are stuck in my head. I had just "filed it" wrongly in my brain. (My brain is a bit unreliable because of health problems.)
But I do admit when I'm wrong, and try to put it right and learn from it. :)
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My brain is very unreliable too!! Anyway, you were so good yesterday with AA's vase I'll let you off ;D
Roberta
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knowing nothing of these things, but being desperate to use my new Christie's catalogues covering the Parkington Sales, I've just compared the shapes mentioned here against those shown in the catalogues.
Although Michael Parkington appears to have had a lot of Monart, he seems not to have had shape PD, at least I can't see it in the catalogues, so would seem to be rare as Gary says.
Unfortunately, not all of the Monart pieces in the Chrisitie's sale catalogues were provided with a shape code.
On the other hand Roberta's HF shape seems to be less scarce, although if the Parkington papers are anything to go by then uniform mottled colours like her piece are not so common - whorls and aventurine decoration look to my inexperienced eye to be more the order of the day - at least for the HF shape. But it's a nice bright piece, and I'd love to find it.
Must admit I never see Monart pieces, perhaps I'm just not looking for them - but then again I daren't start another area of collecting - some of these things do look to have large footprints, and I'm in trouble with space as it is ;D
Anyway, both are great pieces, but if pushed I'd have to choose Roberta's simply for the more attractive colour ;)
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Sue its only my opinion that the vase at L&Ts is not monart, but I could be totally wrong, just doesn't look right to me in any way , shape, colourway etc, pic of the base would be good to see, Paul best place to source ysart glass shapes and colourways is on Ysart Glass site, though not up to date now as I have a few that need to be added as does a few other collectors ,
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thanks Gary - the Monart pieces in the Parkington catalogues were a bonus - I wasn't aware there would be so many included - my reasons for getting the catalogues was really for the other pieces/factories that he collected. :)
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Oh, Thanks for that, ;D I agree that most pieces seem to have the whorls or different colour at the top - I haven't seen one as "Plain" as mine (not that its plain but you know what I mean).
I spotted mine at an auction - and bought it unseen hoping it was Monart, having only collected Vasart - more affordable!
It would be an interesting exercise to put shape codes to the un-coded ones in the Christies catalogue!
Roberta
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Lot no9 matches the colourway and pattern on the vases on the Ysart site. That is where I have seen this colourway before, and knew it was on the site.
I had just filed it as "Monart", rather than as "non-Monart" in my head.
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Nice vase and rare shape you have there Gary.
On the topic of the L&T piece I am of the opinion it is not Monart.
I have seen a few piece in that colourway (which is similar to the Monart colour code 364) and none of them were standard Monart catalogue shapes.
A small point Paul, it would be best not to judge what Monart shapes or colourways are rare or common on one persons collection (though one of the best Monart collections).
Monart did over 300 catalogued shapes and over 500 different colourways.
Gary
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Gary has special agents on"the dark side" who help him find Monart, Roberta. That is the only explanation for his incredible good luck and fortune in tracking it down.
Of course, living in the UK might help as well ;-)
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good advice Gary - and probably the sort of suggestion I'd make.
Aside from the obvious mega-difference in available funds, it seems that Michael Parkington and I share/shared similar eclectic tastes. Quite amazing the breadth of his collecting interest, and his donations to Broadfield House were a wonderful act of generosity.
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"and his donations to Broadfield House were a wonderful act of generosity" had to do a double take then Gary thought Paul was taking about you.
Nice photos by the way :)
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Like Frank, I knew and dealt with Michael Parkington for many years. He had a large collection of Monart (bigger than any of his other collections by far), but he looked for quality of workmanship in each item. That is to say he wanted the best example of Monart, whether common or rare - meaning that rarity could well be turned down!!!
As for his 'depth of pocket', I often represted him at auction when he had to work out where on earth to get the money should he be successful. He was a true collector putting the need for the item before the 'incidental' of money - it was partly this that helped him build a collection that included so many top end items. Of course he also had a 'very good eye', something that is impotant to both collector's and dealers ;) :)
Unfortuately, much of the monart collection was not photographed in the Christies catalogues - particularly in part one.
Nigel
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Parkington collected and researched all British glass, he had just started on 20th Century when I met him. About that time he sold most of his early glass and to fill the empty shelves concentrated on the rarest and finest from Victorian times forwards.
In addition to the glass he had a lot of research material that he was very secretive about and shared with few. He certainly taught me a great deal and inspired the expansion of my own research interests.