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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: obscurities on April 09, 2014, 07:25:49 PM
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Aplogies again for pic quality.... This bowl measures approx 10 inches in diameter and is quite heavy and thick. The pontil area is not so much polished and ground as it appears more carved away. A little different from what I am used to seeing. Deeply ridged for the pattern and a well done piece of glass. My search revealed nothing similar... Bohemian English??
An interesting example for sure.
TIA
Craig
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for what it's worth Craig, I've just been through Gulliver but regret nothing really matches. I assume that's an opalescent effect in the base.
Snail shaped feet abounded in the last quarter of the C19, but what I thought was intriguing is the very irregular, sort of asymmetrical shaped toothed rim design - these decorative rims usually had a more regular design look.
As you say, a very interesting looking piece. :)
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Hi Craig,
How unusual.
I've not known you to be stumped before:)
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I get stumped a lot Fran... they usually end up here when I do....
Paul, what I find interesting, and what I could not locate another example of is the overall asymmetrical look to the piece.... everything is kind of "random" in feel.... but intentional in execution....
Craig
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mold blown into some sort of wire cage thing? then hand crimped rim maybe?
I like the opalescence and colour :)
m
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I have no idea where I would look, though I'm tempted to say the USA or even the East (old not new though). Never seen anything like it.
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how does it compare to the Monot Stumpf salt if you still have it?
The opalescence/colour appears similar.
How much wear on the bottom of the little feet?
How regular is the crimped rim. The photo makes it looks as though it's completely random all round but is it in fact a regular 'random' pattern for the rim?
m
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I do not have it in front of me, but there was a lot of wear on the feet. Completely different "feel" to it than the Monot Stumpf piece had, albeit the size is completely different.
I considered American for a bit, but I really do not know. I too have never seen anything like it....
I love a good puzzle....
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Adding some images that are much better. I think they make it an even more interesting mystery. The appearance of the ribbon edge on the bowl is accurate. Makes it an even more intriguing piece.....
Craig
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Craig — I prefer English from the applied feet, which look very Greater Stourbridge (Stourbridge plus Dudley and Birmingham) to me. It's worth having a close look at Gulliver for similar tooling on the feet.
Bernard C. 8)
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Hi Bernard, Paul went through Gulliver when I first posted it and found nothing like it. My gut feeling is English also, but based on gut alone and nothing else..... at least at this point.
Thanks, Craig
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Craig — yes, but then Paul hadn't the benefit of your latest images of the feet. The solidly attributed Thomas Webb bowl on p169 has not dissimilar feet, for example.
One feature of this type on its own is not really sufficient for an attribution, but it can help reduce the possibilities. I always try to temper my enthusiasm for an attribution by considering the likelihood that many of these glassmakers were taught their skills at Stourbridge college by the same tutor, so it's not surprising that one sees similarities.
Bernard C. 8)
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must admit that I'd assumed, from the first batch of pix, that these were snail shaped feet - looking again have to say that I was wrong.
This coloured, second half C19 decorative ware, is not my area, so cannot speak with any experience remotely and my earlier comments were based simply on what seemed to be a lack of comparable material in Gulliver.
The examples shown in Gulliver illustrate how the Victorians loved symmetry - their crimps and wavy rims etc. show uniformity which I'm not seeing in this rim.
Could be wrong, but I suspect that Craig may not have Gulliver, so unable to look at the example to which Bernard is referring, unfortunately. :)
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Not trying to be controversial but is it possible the feet have been chipped and then cut off?
They look a bit 'stumpy' :-[
m
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The new pictures are much better. I might go with English now. Is it lead crystal?
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Paul is correct in assuming that I do not have Gulliver.....
As far as the feet go, In looking at the feet with a loupe they are likely cut down a bit. How much? I do not know. I was fascinated by the bowl work itself and though it would be a fun "study". I had never seen a piece like this before and probably did not look it over as well as I generally would have before buying a piece of glass. ;D
As far as being lead crystal I do not think so.....
I would add though, that when exposed to UV there is a subtle glow in a shade of green which seems brighter and lighter than Manganese, but far less bright than I would expect from Uranium.
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possibly snail curls cut off the feet or they were longer and tapered into straightish ends if you see what I mean?
Gorgeous glass and colour btw :)
m
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I agree on both counts... the legs and the color.... and I am simply fascinated by the shape.....
Craig