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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: BigB on April 26, 2014, 06:35:51 AM
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Hi, I'm fairly new to glass and these look very similar to Empoli designs, but far larger than anything I've seen before. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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Are these in today's auction sale, have I read the date on the label wrong?
If so, copyright and other issues may apply here.
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Thanks Greg.
The auction is today at Tring Market Auctions.
Like you I have concerns about this type of posting, whether it is a traditional or online auction, in respect of fairness, copyright, and the potential swamping of the GMB. The GMB relies on the goodwill of its members and moderators, and this could evaporate if it was treated as way of making a fast buck.
I have asked the moderators to move this topic to the Marketplace forum, and, with the GMB committee, to consider this topic's implications.
Bernard C. 8)
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Apologies for upsetting people. Sensitive place here. For the record, I am the rightful owner of these items and have the invoice to prove it. Hope that helps.
I love these and was curious if my assessment was correct. I can remove the post if everyone will be more comfortable!
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Hello BigB and welcome to the board. If you own the items (I presume you purchased them at the auction?) and took the photos (so you own copyright) then we have no issues with your posting. 8)
What Greg and Bernard were trying to say was that the GMB's ID and discussion forums (except for the Market Place) aren't meant to promote sales of your own items, so they were just trying to establish the situation re the pieces you showed given that an auction lot sticker was clearly visible in one of them.
We're not overly sensitive but, like other forums, we do have rules (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=rules) to work to, so it might be helpful to you to have a read through the links here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/board,22.0.html so you know what is and isn't permitted. If anything is not clear please do ask for clarification - I'm here to provide techie etc help on request. Feel free to email me directly if you get stuck. :)
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Thank you BigB, Bernard and Anne for your comments.
In essence, my main query about the post was one of timing. As I presumed the photos were taken during the auction viewing, prior to the sale itself, looking at the time of the original post. Sorry BigB, if i have misunderstood and you had entered these items into the sale and then wanted an attribution (however I would have thought an attribution prior to cataloguing would have been more useful to you, rather than in the sale room after you had already entered the items)
I suspect, photos taken outside of the sale room, would have elicited more of an attribution based response.
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Thank you Anne for your reply. I think that this is more the response one would imagine to someone's first ever post. I have lots of questions and items in my quickly growing collection that I would love to discuss but the initial responders have hardly provided a positive welcome.
Greg, I appreciate your considered clarification.
Ironically, there still hasn't been a single word about the glass, but let's not worry about that so long as the small print is in order!
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They don't look like Empoli to me, but I could be wrong. My guess would be modern Chinese.
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I'm afraid I rather agree, Lustrousstone, but L can see where the Empoli idea came from.
Sorry you've had a slightly bumpy start, BigB, welcome. :)
The board has to be very careful of the legal repercussions of using other folks' copyrighted images; they pose quite a threat to us continuing, so we do tend to jump in early, just in case.
And there are a lot of folk who dive in, practically demand that we write their listings for them, then vanish without a word of thanks, or even mentioning the board as a source of their attribution.
We're glass fanatics here, we like talking about glass and learing about it, we don't do "valuations", which many also expect.
We're not a "seller's support group", and have no intention of becoming one.
Forgive us for our zeal in protecting our integrity, and come back with loads of lovely pictures for us to help identify for you!
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Back to the original question: you might also want to check out Elme and Aseda. Failing that, China lurks ...
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Well, that's 3 for china so whilst disappointed I'll assume that the majority is correct! Thanks for your replies Lustrousstone, chopin-liszt and Ivo. BTW, is it the base and lack of a clean or polished pontil that leads you quickly to this verdict?
My baptism of fire somewhat put me off, but I have a lot of pieces that I have purchased in my new found glass obsession and it would be great to get advice. I may even brave another pic or two as one piece has me stumped. I'd like to think it's Nyman or Lindstrand. I'd best start a new thread I guess.
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Yes please do, BigB, we'd love to see your other pieces. We're not at all scary - please do make yourself at home and join in the glass discussions. :)
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Yes please do, BigB, we'd love to see your other pieces. We're not at all scary - please do make yourself at home and join in the glass discussions. :)
I've posted 1 on the Scandinavian board if you'd care to look... http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,56573.0.html Thanks
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It's the big, thick, bright and chunky appearance that leads to a Chinese attribution.
Contmporary Chinese glass is improving all the time, they have imported masterglassmakers from Poland to teach more complicated techniques, even the roughly gouged and semi-polished pontil marks are not being used so often any more...
I try to keep an eye on what is coming out from the far east by having a browse in TKMaxx every so often. ;)
It is a very useful thing to do - it's amazing how much stuff from TKMaxx ends up on "antique" stands at fairs.
Forewarned is forearmed.
They are attractive pieces - I vastly prefer the blue to the amber though. ;)
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It's the big, thick, bright and chunky appearance that leads to a Chinese attribution.
Contmporary Chinese glass is improving all the time, they have imported masterglassmakers from Poland to teach more complicated techniques, even the roughly gouged and semi-polished pontil marks are not being used so often any more...
I try to keep an eye on what is coming out from the far east by having a browse in TKMaxx every so often. ;)
It is a very useful thing to do - it's amazing how much stuff from TKMaxx ends up on "antique" stands at fairs.
Forewarned is forearmed.
They are attractive pieces - I vastly prefer the blue to the amber though. ;)
Thanks for the advice. The quality of the glass is very good and not the usual light Chinese rubbish, which is what thew me. I think I'll stick to my usual collecting of Scandinavian glass, Holmegaard, Riihimaki, etc.