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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: brucebanner on April 28, 2014, 07:03:54 PM
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Hello there, i could with some help with this piece please. I have a pair and there made the same, hand blown with a polished pontil, lots of seeds within the glass and a nice ring when tapped. Lovely honey colour.
I thought they were Whitefriars and as such have posted them on the Whitefriars Web forum and not had a response yet.
It's 6 inches in height 5 1/2 inches across the rim and 3 1/2 inches across the base.
Regards Chris.
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Seen a similar footed piece that was marked Webbs and there are some vases in Miller's 20th Century Glass also very much like yours that are attributed to Webbs, ;D
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Keith — which book were you looking at?
Bernard C. 8)
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There's an optic-moulded vase, in gold-amber, in the Miller's/McConnell '20th Century Glass' attributed to T/Webb - page 66 - which bears a lot of pattern similarity to this piece, and might possibly be the item Keith had in mind. Certainly the spirals on the book example look very similar to this piece.
The other fairly common T/Webb spiral design that comes to mind (also in amber/gold), is their celery vase.
None of which proves that this piece is T/Webb, but just that there are similarities. :)
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Sorry Bernard, Paul's saved my bacon, Millers 20th Century it was, ;D
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Thanks for your help guys, i'm surprised Paul these are common, i now own 50 books and have tried to research these on the internet and could not find anything on them. Oh well, another book i will try to get my hands on, regards Chris. :'(
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hi Chris - unfortunately, having lots of books isn't always the answer - not least because too many often means you then can't remember where you saw something ;D .... and remember that not all the information therein is correct.
I had a feeling that this design/colour had been shown on the Board previously, but when I tried the 'Search' facility couldn't see it.
We have some knowledgeable folk here regarding T/Webb, but this doesn't seem to be ringing bells, or at least not very loudly.
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Chris — I have a spiral spaced rib by Webb with factory mark on a Flair base, but it's six ribs not eight. Note that the Webb spirals are fairly even all the way from top to bottom. If you have spaced ribs that are almost vertical and turn into a tight spiral near the top that is something quite different.
Paul & Keith — I have been confused for a long time by thinking that Andy McConnell's second book was the one he's been working on recently. I have been confusing his second book with Judith Miller's useful work, which I do have. Grateful thanks. I have ordered a copy of McConnell II.
Bernard C. 8)
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with hindsight probably unfortunate, and confusing, that both of Judith Miller's general books on twentieth century glass were titled '20TH-Century Glass'.
As far as I can see, Andy McConnell wasn't associated with the first of these Miller's volumes (Dorling Kindersley 2004), and it was the second only (2006) where his name appears - so maybe not accurate to say McConnell II :)
Am I correct in saying that his current project concerns Scandinavian glass - had hoped he would be revising or offering a supplement to his Decanter volume, but not sure.
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Judith was only associated with one, as was Andy
Miller's 20th-Century Glass by Andy McConnell, 2006 published by Miller's, part of Octopus Publishing
20th-Century Glass by Judith Miller, 2004 published by Dorling Kindersley
(then of course there is 20th Century Glass by Mark Cousins, 1989 published by the Apple Press)
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What kind of date do you think this is, i noticed this style of glass on a Whitefriars beaker in Lesley Jackson book but that had a flared base, the Whitefriars forum has drawn a blank and Chris Cooper who posts on here thinks it's Webb. What i have noticed with my ebay listings is that when something is inacurate the item in question can flag up for ages in the search results of Google and the like which long term is not helping others who list glass and collectors.
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hi Chris...... When you think of the vast acres of patterns/designs in glass - much of which defies running down to a catalogue that we can find easily, then there are always going to be some that give problems regarding attribution.
Catalogues for factories which often had the most prolific of output are frequently not available, and T/Webb is just such a factory (or at least not available to most of us).
Patterns/designs were copied and not possible to be certain sometimes as to origin.
In addition to the McConnell/Miller reference mentioned above, I've just remembered that there is also an image in Dodsworth (catalogue No. 283 - page 47) which shows a footed blue vase with an almost identical spiraling to your piece, and which is attributed to T/Webb.
There seems no doubt as to the provenance of Roger Dodsworth's vase since the piece is backstamped Webb.
I suspect that the W/Fs piece you're referring to is one of the Woodchester beakers?? - so no connection there.
Date wise, for your vase, I'd suggest 1930's.
I don't participate in ebay, so really unsure of what your second sentence means, sorry :)
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This most definitely is Webb, but I'm not sure it confirms Chris's amber vase as Webb. It looks too different http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Webb-art-glass-Art-Deco-vase-rare-yellow-color-twisted-ribs-form-pontil-signed-/231224092156
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I'm loving the "rare colour, in the item description on the vase in that Ebay listing, something i'm sure you all see very often, it's mind numbing how close all these patterns and colours are and yet this is the way forward to get them documented and listed, the signature is the key. All the catalogues need documenting and to be free for all to look at, not in expensive books.
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It's Sunshine Amber, so not that common. The shape is probably rarer.
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quote ................."this is the way forward to get them documented and listed, the signature is the key. All the catalogues need documenting and to be free for all to look at, not in expensive books."
Good idea Chris - so when are you going to start. ;)
I'd agree that the ebay vase shape is rare, but my opinion on this particular Gay Glass colour is that it turns up not uncommonly.
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Well i know where there are five pattern books for Royal Brierley, Stuart, Webbs, Tudor and webb Corbett, it's having the time to list them, then there are copywrite issues (thats if it apllies to original pattern books) and if i can lone them in the first place. I'm a Paramedic so i know nothing about copying others work and listing it for all to see.
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just a quick comment re colour Chris.........
You're correct in referring to 'gold/amber' as a colour found commonly in glass..........most of the big houses seem to have made something similar, especially during the 1930/40 period.
Leslie Jackson ( commenting on W/F's version of this colour) says that "this brighter, more orangey, selenium based amber was produced from the 1920's to 1962."
Pieces which might be described as gold/amber don't include uranium, and do not react under the torch.
However, as mentioned by Lustrousstone, 'Sunshine Amber' from T/Webb's Gay Glass range is really a different colour, and might be said to lack the golden hue - plus it glows substantially under the torch, and even without when the 'sunshine' is shining. :)
Sometimes at boot fairs or Antiques markets you can see it a mile away.
Do you have any pieces of T/Webb 'Sunshine Amber'?
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I'm not sure if i have or not, i packed about 2000 bits away before christmas, a lot of uranium glass and some bright yellow glass, it would be a nightmare to unpack it all, i'm confident though i do not have a vase in that shape.