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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Murano & Italy Glass => Topic started by: ottogrunf on May 14, 2014, 06:02:19 PM

Title: Question re Statuettes, Martinuzzi? Gio Ponti?
Post by: ottogrunf on May 14, 2014, 06:02:19 PM
good life in all I found these two statuettes, someone knows something?
Title: Re: question
Post by: Ivo on May 15, 2014, 08:08:18 AM
Welcome to the Glass Message Board!  Thank you for showing us these superb, top quality Murano pieces. There is just a hint of gold in the foot, and the coral colour dress points at Napoleone Martinuzzi for Venini circa 1930.

I suggest we move this topic to the Italian glass section and hope that someone will be able to confirm this.
Title: Re: question
Post by: ottogrunf on May 15, 2014, 05:54:00 PM
 ;) ;)thanks for the reply I do not think that they are Martinuzzi but gio_ponti. I'd like to know how valuable excuse my bad English :'(
Title: Re: question
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 15, 2014, 06:13:06 PM
We do not normally discuss values.
In the secondary market, something is worth only what somebody is willing to pay for it, in that place, at that time.

But these are exceptionally high quality, you should not have any problem getting a good price at auction, just choose your auction carefully, to reach the right audience.
Title: Re: question
Post by: ottogrunf on May 15, 2014, 06:41:38 PM
Thank you again it was just a curiosity I have so many pieces but I never thought about the value maybe it's time to know
Title: Re: question
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 15, 2014, 06:50:49 PM
 ;)

You might be able to manage a simple weekend away on the proceeds - but not your retirement.
Title: Re: Question re Statuettes, Martinuzzi? Gio Ponti?
Post by: ottogrunf on May 16, 2014, 03:21:08 PM
 :) :) :) :)Today I made a quick trip to vevezia I knew the approximate value of about € 15,000 each and are actually gioponti glassware barovier 1930
Title: Re: Question re Statuettes, Martinuzzi? Gio Ponti?
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 16, 2014, 03:27:53 PM
All you need now, is somebody willing to pay that much.  ;)
Title: Re: Question re Statuettes, Martinuzzi? Gio Ponti?
Post by: TxSilver on May 23, 2014, 09:26:07 PM
These are figurines that are based on 1935 design by Ercole Barovier for VA Barovier. There is a picture of the design on page 100 of The Art of the Barovier. They are called Dancing Women. They were apparently sold as a pair. The dress and base of yours are different in color and shape, though, so I wonder if yours are Barovier or if they might be someone else.
Title: Re: Question re Statuettes, Martinuzzi? Gio Ponti?
Post by: johnphilip on May 24, 2014, 11:29:52 AM
I would bet on Barovier , thought so the first second I saw them . love them .
Title: Re: Question re Statuettes, Martinuzzi? Gio Ponti?
Post by: TxSilver on May 24, 2014, 02:02:06 PM
I'm not sure. The dresses of the ones in the book are red pasta and very precise in shape. They are so different that it made me wonder if these were made by the same hands. The dresses of ottogrunf's figurines look far more melted. Could just be a variation, though. I don't know enough to say one way or another.
Title: Re: Question re Statuettes, Martinuzzi? Gio Ponti?
Post by: ottogrunf on May 25, 2014, 06:11:08 PM
now I want to say one does not need to be a good mechanic to buy a ferrari sometimes you buy items from people absolutely reliable at the right price. years pass and objects are often imitated and imitation seem more original. these statuettes have been paid 860,000 Italian lire each in 1980 and were sold by Mr. Barovierin person.
Title: Re: Question re Statuettes, Martinuzzi? Gio Ponti?
Post by: TxSilver on May 25, 2014, 06:35:55 PM
Well, one of the Baroviers -- they are a big clan. Ercole died in 1974, so it was probably one of his sons or nephews.
Title: Re: Question re Statuettes, Martinuzzi? Gio Ponti?
Post by: johnphilip on May 25, 2014, 07:36:20 PM
I had a cowboy and cowgirl in the same style , I sold them a while back and they went to a Milan gallery and were sold on as Barovier .
Title: Re: Question re Statuettes, Martinuzzi? Gio Ponti?
Post by: ottogrunf on May 30, 2014, 06:39:59 PM
 :( hello now look at what a strange thing is this (I hope that does not offend lusso & eleganza) tell me what you think
Title: Re: Question re Statuettes, Martinuzzi? Gio Ponti?
Post by: TxSilver on May 30, 2014, 08:24:10 PM
Why do you feel it is strange, ottogrunf? Do you feel you are seeing copies? A little more explanation would be welcome.
Title: Re: Question re Statuettes, Martinuzzi? Gio Ponti?
Post by: ottogrunf on May 31, 2014, 06:47:00 AM
the strange thing is that in some book you can see photos of patently false things that cause confusion seems that the false is true, then if you are selling in ebay a copy should write it and do not pretend that the original
Title: Re: Question re Statuettes, Martinuzzi? Gio Ponti?
Post by: KevinH on June 01, 2014, 12:39:05 AM
Hi ottogrunf,

Do the first and last images in your Reply #14 belong to you? Or are they copies taken from another place? If they are copies and you do not have permission of the owner, they cannot be added to the GMB.

As per: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/board,22.0.html
Title: Re: Question re Statuettes, Martinuzzi? Gio Ponti?
Post by: TxSilver on June 05, 2014, 03:33:29 AM
Kevin, I don't think we're going to get a reply here. I personally suspect all the items in this thread may be copies based on Barovier's work. I could be wrong, but they don't look right to me. The dresses are messy and not shaped -- very unlike the ones pictured in texts.
Title: Re: Question re Statuettes, Martinuzzi? Gio Ponti?
Post by: ottogrunf on June 05, 2014, 06:08:22 PM
 :) I am sure my statutte are original and I would love to see the photos in the book which is discussed
Title: Re: Question re Statuettes, Martinuzzi? Gio Ponti?
Post by: TxSilver on June 05, 2014, 06:19:39 PM
I looked online and saw one like yours being offered by Rago Arts. Rago is normally good with its attributions, so it looks like the looser dressers are just a variation.

What is it about the images you showed that bothered you?