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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: BRADBURY7308 on May 24, 2014, 11:32:42 AM
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Purchased this lovely plate from ebay i thought it was in fact a monart plate shape YE 8" DIA, Ive also found similar gray-stan pieces??
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=351054641551
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The colourway and the bubbles - (the whole thing, really) is very, very similar to bit of Nazeing (in a different shape) I know of being sold as Monart.
I would think you have a very good piece of Nazeing, for a good price. :)
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I would not rule out Monart, the shape is the same as the Monart catalogue shape YE, the bubble inclusion is very Monart like (IMHO) and the colour is one used by Monart .
A better picture of the base could be of some use if you could post one here.
Gary
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Do you ever go to Rait, Gary? You might find some interesting things - worth a look at, even if not buying.
There's a big, footed Nazeing cylinder vase in what I think is the same colourway as this (it's labelled Monart, but priced Nazeing). There's a Vasart bucket vase, in a pale white, with a whole load of green aventurine in it.
There is also a green (cloudy) Monart plate in Faircity antiques in Perth, labelled and priced as Strathearn.
(We didn't buy it.)
Bradbury - Gary knows more about Monart than I do - I'm a bit vague. My family collect it, but I don't, and I don't bother about looking at catalogues or learning shapes.
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Thanks for replying, I havent the use of a camara for a few days thats why i linked to ebay..
I will post asap i have a few nazeing bits in similar colourway but this feels dare i say better made but as said b4 the nazeing production varies so much....thanks
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I must admit I kept looking at that one - is it or isn't it Monart? As Gary says there are lots of similarity, but
I have also seen some similar ones in blue that definitely were not Monart, but possible French!
If it had been a different colour I would have bought it myself (as a Ysart collector) - would love to see more pictures, sizes etc. to see if we can rule out or OK the Monart theory!
(the same seller also had for sale a 4" high probably Strathearn green vase with dark top with aventurine (pretty sure it wasn't Monart as I got some base pictures from them though it could have been one of those tourist bits by Perthshire (???) ) They had it listed as some European piece or other so I didn't hold much sway by their descriptions!
it is a lovely piece though - love the bubbles!
Roberta
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Thankyou for replying i will try and get some base shots for you to see, The base has a small polished pontil scar in the centre, Then at the edge of the plate it has a small flat area where the plate sits polished flat hard to explain i will add a picture asap. Thanks for help.
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At last been able to get some new photographs please let me know if you need better ones thanks..
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Ok, just to clarify - the outer edge of the base has been ground (but not polished) and the central pontil scar has been ground out and polished.
I have a Monart piece with a pontil scar like that, and the ground outer edge is very typical.
I would tentatively say it is a Monart YE shape plate, I think it is absolutely stunning.
I'm sure Gary will take a look soon and let us know his opinion.
I'm beginning to wish I'd bought it now, but at the time i had nothing in those colours and no room to display it :D
Roberta
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Thankyou for reply roberta if monart or not im quite taken with the colours and they seem to change a great deal in different light conditions which is very attractive, I love bubbley glass!!!
Thanks dan
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If the central pontil scar is as described by Roberta it is Monart, that purple was used in both periods of Monart. A clearer picture of the pontil scar would help all the same.
Gary
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The shape is too sophisticated to be anything but Monart, in my opinion. (not with all the other Monarty clues) That's not really an easy shape to make, not with almost right angles in it.
The colours are brighter and more Monart-y than Nazeing-y
My guts are positive it's Monart now. ;D
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It is throwing me a bit as i can see some small scuffs in the pontil scar so im not really sure but here is the best picture in the light conditions available, I guess it could also be a very good copy??
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If someone was going to go to all that trouble to copy a Monart they wouldn't copy a plate!
A very beautiful plate though! I love bubbles like that ;D
The more pieces of Monart I collect the more variances I find in the bases, pontil scars etc, bowls are different to vases, vases can be different to vases, aplied feet of the same type different again; it's not quite as cut and dried as it appears on Ysartglass site (many thanks to Frank); I believe there are more shown in the book (of which I still have to get a copy and yes I have seen them on ebay).
Roberta
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Just to say have a look at this for similar bubbles:
http://www.ysartglass.com/Liberty/Libertycat32.htm
also, I knew your plate reminded me of something, see picture ;D
Roberta
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:)
Thanks for all the help on this piece i feel very happy to own a proper nice piece of monart at last !!! ;D