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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: MJR on November 27, 2004, 09:33:04 PM
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I found a carnival glass pitcher and tumbler set that was marked on the bottom with an "S" in a diamond. I'm unfamiliar with this particular marking. Does anyone know what company this signifies?
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Might it be a B in a diamond? If so it's Boyd. The only S that I can think of right now is Smith Glass - but it's not in a diamond. However, Boyd don't make tumblers and pitchers.....but Smith do! Might it be a B in a triangle (I'm working hard here :lol: ). That would be Guernsey.
Can you describe the pitcher and tumbler (or better still a photo) - that might help.
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Unfortunately, I was shopping and didn't buy the set. ( I wish I had). It was definitely an S. The diamond may have been simply the result of the pattern on the bottom. I'll try to get back to that store & see if they still have it & give you a better description. Thanks for the suggestions :D
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It may be for Summit - they sell reproduction glass.
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Summit Art Glass Co. certainly do make Carnival glass (using both old and new moulds). However, their trademark is a V (usually) in a circle. They don't use it very often. Glass made by Summit can also be found carrying the Westmoreland mark, and sometimes the Imperial mark - as sometimes the previous company's mark has not been removed. Mostly Summit's Carnival is unmarked.
The only company I know that makes / made Carnival in water set shapes, and has an S trademark is Smith. But as I say, it's not in a diamond.
The only trademark on Carnival that uses the diamond shape is Boyd's B (in a diamond). But they don't make water sets.
Guernsey (B mark) also made some Carnival water sets.
These are the only trademarks I can think of that it could be. I know how marks can get distorted in manufacture and through use. In fact I have even seen a couple of Boyd's novelty items (a scotty dog and a crinoline lady) on eBay recently - the seller described the mark as an old English diamond registration mark.
Glen
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Hi MJR and Glen
Here are links to photos of a small glass pot, 3" high by3" in diameter, satin finish on outside and polished on inside.
On the base is a diamond with an S inside also a figure 2 and a Reg No 778616, this is late 1932.
I have had a look at Great Glass and it is not in there list of Glass Reg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/d554to/DiamondS1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/d554to/DiamondS3.jpg
Not sure about Carnival Glass but this might help find out who the diamond S was.
Tony H
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I picked up a 2 7/8" X 3 1/8" wide poor quality, carnival glass whiskey tumbler(?) at a garage sale for ten cents or so, earlier this year. It has the diamond S marking but it is quite obvious that there had been a half-hearted attempt to deface the mark. (The tool marks are very visible.) This tumbler also clearly shows the number 45 on the base. The glass has no signs of wear, and just guessing, I thought it was some sort of Chinese or Indonesian knock off using old molds they purchased at a fire sale somewhere.
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Hi Everyone
Has anyone ID the Reg No 778616, from my post on Sun 12 Dec, would like to know who used this trade mark of a letter S in a Diamond.
Tony H.
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Tony - sorry, no. Can't attribute the RD to anyone as it's not listed in the Glass Assoc. booklet and I don't have the opportunity to dig any further at the moment. The pattern on your unusual piece is similar to Inwald's Jacobean Ranger and other companies' "block" designs. I don't know what factory might have used that trademark of a diamond with an S inside.
The tumbler with the S mark in a diamond and the number 45 is also interesting. It does sound rather like the Chinese examples - but the ones I am aware of have a triangle mark with a number.
Wish I could give a definitive answer, but all I can actually add is "curiouser and curiouser".
:roll:
Glen
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Hi MJR and Glen
Here are links to photos of a small glass pot, 3" high by3" in diameter, satin finish on outside and polished on inside.
On the base is a diamond with an S inside also a figure 2 and a Reg No 778616, this is late 1932.
I have had a look at Great Glass and it is not in there list of Glass Reg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/d554to/DiamondS1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/d554to/DiamondS3.jpg
Not sure about Carnival Glass but this might help find out who the diamond S was.
Tony H
Tony, just looking at this again and am wondering... could the number you're seeing as 1 actually be a 4? Reg design number 778646 was issued to Parfumeries Violet S.A. on Dec 1, 1932.