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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: keith on June 17, 2014, 01:16:02 PM
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Just seen this on ebay, see link, I've had this 'bowl' for a while and with the flat polished base didn't think it was part of the range until now, any thoughts please, ;D
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Superb-c1960s-large-THOMAS-WEBB-Cased-Amethyst-Blown-BUBBLE-Glass-FLAIR-VASE-/261484599836?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item3ce1b25a1c
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must admit Keith that all of my flair range pieces (mostly tall beaked vases with only one bowl) have the circular depression, and not a flat base, and amethyst not a colour I'd seen in the known range.
Doesn't appear the CH mentions this colour, but suppose there's always going to be smaller run items.
Other than that it does look to be o.k., but not my area, so will leave to you and David :)
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"Flair" was made by sticking a wet poker into the glass - it wasn't blown. I can't see how this bowl would have been made with a wet stick, but perhaps is was just further manipulated to make the bowl shape, as a blown piece would have been.
I just don't feel it's quite right for "Flair".
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Just back from Holland!
As you know, I have quite a large collection, including the large bowl in ruby. I have also been following that other one on eBay, but the price is triple what I would be willing to pay. However, mine measures 13¾ (35cm) across, so quite a beast, but does not have a flat base. The amethyst colour I have seen and yours looks a little like Flair, but I'm also not sure.
One thing I do know is that there are some oddities in the Flair range. I am in touch occasionally with Peter Robinson who worked at Webb during the 1960s and he even has some of the pieces that didn't quite make it, or were experimental, or "mutants" as Peter calls them! ;D I'll see if he wants to join in as I believe he's been on GMB before. It could be that yours is a mutant?
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Thanks for all the comments, so mutant it is, David, could you ask your friend to have a look at this one also, polished pontil mark on this one.... ::) ;D ;D
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That does look like Webb Flair to me. I will mail Peter tomorrow
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I have seen an amber bowl with etched signature in a shop, I will try and get a photo. From memory the shape differs only slightly, perhaps it is a bit deeper than Keith's original post.
John
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Flair can differ quite noticeably - sometimes radically - so there are normally obvious variances between the same styled item. I imagine your siting was the same style as Keith's. If the price is right, I might be interested, John!
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I think the price may not be right David, somewhere around ninety or a hundred I think it was. It is in a small antiques shop that stocks a remarkably wide range of interesting glass: http://www.granbyantiques.com/aboutus.html
I should be able to call in there tomorrow.
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Eek, items on eBay never reach those sums... Never mind, thanks anyway. The more I look at Keith's, the more I think it is Flair - probably not a mutant, but without the backstamp perhaps it was a second?
I've just mailed Peter, so his comments will be welcome.
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Looks kosher to me and I worked there. Have one at home which appears to be the same will check next week. The colour is fairly rare I have only two pieces, the bowl and an "obelisk " like object.
Regards Peter
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Many thanks Peter, I can move it from the 'unknown' shelf to the Webb shelf, ;D ;D
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hasn't that shelf collapsed yet, Keith ;D
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Not yet ! :o there are four shelves to be honest, all full so time for a re-shuffle I think ! ;D ;D
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Almost a Webb wall then Keith. :D
Visited that shop today and sod's law the Webb has been sold, not surprisingly the shop keeper was very happy with the price realised...
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More an English wall, with one exception ! ;D ;D
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I spy with my little eye something from north of Hadrian's Wall...
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Would that be glass or something that comes in glass, ;D ;D
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Pickled onions? :D
I was thinking Dark Crystal - the Stuart Strathearn vase.
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third in from the right on the top shelf - known as 'Gold & Ebony', I think............ I'm a big fan of the top shelf ;)
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Did Stuart buy Strathearn or visa versa, I thought you meant the whiskey labels on the wall, ::) :o ;D....Paul; this is the top shelf..... :o
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As I was passing through, just thought I'd add ...
1980 Strathearn Glass had been taken over by Stuart and Sons of Stourbridge, and renamed Stuart Strathearn.
From http://www.ysartglass.com/Strathearn/Strathearn.htm
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Ta, ;D
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And there are two bits there, side by side, are there not?
The red and black bowl; and the ebony and gold cylinder.
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it's more like the Great Wall of China ;D
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There is a bit of Japanese 'china' but no China china, also this on a different shelf.... ;D
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Hi,
I know Peter has already commented and said 'yes' - Webb's, but I thought I'd add a little.
I have a bowl of the same shape, but with a green centre piece. I can't check the base or whether it's marked as it's packed away somewhere, but I never questioned it, either when I bought it, or since. Importantly, I have had other (cut) pieces using the same shape, and not always marked with a back stamp. It also features as a shape in contemporary articles on Hammond and Webbs.
Nigel
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Thanks again Nigel, ;D