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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: zidori on July 27, 2014, 12:43:40 PM
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I feel I should know the maker of this lovely little vase, especially with the pontil mark, though I'm not sure if the mark is complete or "distorted. However, all attempts have failed me and I would be grateful for any help. The vase is 3.75 inches high.
Regards
Ronnie
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Looks like Alum Bay to me, Ronnie. :)
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quite correct .... the slightly blunted edges of the pontil scar inside that base depression is very much a signature of Alum Bay.
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It should be AB if it's Alum Bay
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in that case here are some more posteriors from AB.
there are exceptions to this typical base from them, but the vast majority that I've seen are like this.
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think I've just realized what Christine's comment was implying ........ and indeed it would have been better had I said 'characteristic' rather than 'signature' ...... at least I think that's what the comment was all about ;)
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Maybe the vases don't have an impressed AB like the paperweights do
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I think this design of Ronnie's is an early one, pre-AB stamp. The early pieces are very finely blown and do not always have a blob of glass stuck on the (rather highly) indented base they tended to produce. (almost akin to a lampwork style finish)
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so my assumption was wrong - but to be honest I've never seen an Alum Bay vase with impressed AB, and I must have seen a couple of dozen over the years - can only assume pieces marked as such are rare, or it is something found only on p/ws as suggested. :)
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I have a strong tendency to ignore pwts.
I do have a small AB mouse, which came in its original box, which is very yellowed with age, although the paper label on it is fine. No AB mark.
I did "discover" AB glass fairly early on in my collecting days (~ 1989 onwards), and had a jack-in-the-pulpit style vase in a green and brown colourway very like Ronnie's current little posy vase,.
This did not have the AB mark, and at the time it was the only kind of AB glass I ever did see, and none had the mark.
That's all I know.
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Seems then Sue that highly probably that it's only the p/ws that have this AB mark mentioned by Christine, and not any of the vases etc. :)
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If you have a look at the vase Greg posted today it is a much thicker piece and does have something which might be the mark.
All I was saying was that the stuff that is very finely blown, with a pattern very much like Ronnie's which to my knowledge (which is based on what I have seen in the secondary market over the years) is earler AB output, doesn't seem to have initials marked onto the bottom; the way the glass was finished off wouldn't have supported it in the first place.
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Must admit that some of those blunted recessed scars might almost be interpreted as letters, but I don't see Greg's pontil area being anything other than an irregular scar.
Maybe my education of AB is lacking, but don't remember seeing any finely blown pieces from that factory - if anyone has such a piece I'd be interested in seeing it. :)
I had occasion to speak to Colin Green once or twice in recent years, and it's true that some of AB's creations are quite surprising in terms of colour/design - not at all what you'd expect to see from that factory.
Attached is a rather nice jip iridescent lump, with a very untypical pontil area (not the usual depression).
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My one and only piece is in greens and browns on a white background, much like Ronnie's piece.
It is a JIP, the centre part of the base is very highly indented, quite like lampwork. But it's packed away in one of the crates in the attic, I don't even know which one, I can't get at it.
I've had it since approximately 1999.
(ooops, there's the boxed "pink sugar" mouse, I'd forgotten about it already, but it doesn't really count as proper glass to me.)
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Only ever seen the paperweights with the ABG stamp on the base?
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An early thick 'clunky' piece.
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Quite fine JIP vase with similar pontil mark
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A big heavy piece again the pontil mark is quite different
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Wow, thanks for all those different and varied images, Chris. Have you been collecting Alum Bay?
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Alum Bay kindly gave me some further info on their impressed ‘ABG' mark. I thought this particular thread would be a good place to add it.
After checking with some of their glass blowers, they confirmed that they generally only tend to stamp their paperweights. The main reason being that the weights are more substantial compared to the bases on their vases. The thinner bases on the vases tend not stand up to being flamed and then impressed with the ‘ABG’ mark.
I gather occasionally, their stem/footed bowls do also have the impressed mark, again due to the fact that these items have a solid foot on the base.
Subsequently, Alum Bay glass stickers are used on any other item that has not been stamped.
I’m sure as with many small studios there is always the odd exception to the above. My grateful thanks to Alum Bay Glass for providing clarification.
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No Sue, just trying be helpful and sorted the photos out from :)the album I keep of all the glass which goes through my hands. :)
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Thanks all for your input and interesting discussions.
Ronnie