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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: bat20 on July 27, 2014, 02:23:04 PM
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Another boot fair glass from today and the last,the glass is blown with engraved decoration and although the glass quality is very good the engraving you could say was a bit rushed for such a nice glass,but still works well,it's about 9cm ht and 7.5 wd so i'm not sure it's a drinking glass,there is plenty of wear to the base,any thoughts on this glass many thanks.
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Looks like a grapefruit or dessert dish, looks good quality. 1920's at a guess.
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I'd agree with the suggestion of desert dish ...... it may have that sort of age - my opinion would be a little less old.
Doesn't conform to the standard shape of a grapefruit... which has the slightly upturned wide foot-rim, usually, as per the attached, which might have been to hold the pips.?? These are from Sawrex, Stuart and one 'Made In Tudor England' - who was responsible for the controlled bubble example or the uranium one I've no idea. :)
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Oooh Paul, do you collect grapefruits? I have a fair few of those somewhere in the cupboard too. I must get them photographed!
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Thanks for the replies,i should have added that it's quite heavy with wear to the rim so a well used glass maybe,it seems a tad small for grapefruit,but i suppose there is not set portion,i'm a half a grapefruit man out of the skin cut into segments.
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Why the flared rim on grapefruits? is it for a spoon? catch the juice?
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don't know the exact origin of why the unusual foot shape - could be for pips or the spoon (there are specially shaped/designed spoons for grapefruit) - but for reasons of association, I've always called bowls with this flared foot shape, 'grapefruits'.
I get the impression that tinned/canned segments of the fruit are more a post WW II invention, rather than using a spoon to eat the fruit from its skin, for which you need a bowl - I recall my mother cutting and putting mountains of sugar on the fruit halves on a Saturday evening, in bowls They were always the white variety which were very sharp to taste - don't recall any pink ones then, and this really sweetened them for breakfast on Sunday morning - Sunday breakfast seemed always to be considered more posh than other days of the week.
I notice that Mrs. B doesn't index the word grapefruit in the early C20 revised edition of her book, although it does occur in later mid C20 editions, and try as I might I can't find info on the history of the design of the flared foot shape. I think this unusual foot design is also shared by sorbet and sundae dishes, so bit of a generic thing maybe.
I still don't consider this one to be for grapefruit - although you can eat anything out of anything if you really wish :)
I didn't intend to collect these bowls Anne, they seemed to arrive without any special effort, and apologies in advance to bat, but I forgot to include what is possibly my best one ........... it's a Walsh 'Pompeian' example in blue (with backstamp), and with a ring to die for ..... dates to somewhere in the 1940's possibly.
Again, my apologies to the op for digressing and being long winded ;D
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The older dishes may be for sugar, the newer for ice/desert.
Here is the uranium dish:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Sussmuth-Glas-Schale-Fusschale-Dessertschale-Eisschale-annagrun-Art-Deco-1-/390874806856?pt=Design_Stil&hash=item5b01f43a48 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Sussmuth-Glas-Schale-Fusschale-Dessertschale-Eisschale-annagrun-Art-Deco-1-/390874806856?pt=Design_Stil&hash=item5b01f43a48)
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hallo drinkwater - willkommen in der GMB ;D
I'm not sure about the Continent of Europe, but I haven't been aware of seeing sugar bowls from the U.K. that had upturned flared foot rims similar to your ebay link design, although you may well be correct - but I'm sure that you are correct about their use for ices/deserts in the C20. Thanks for the link, and my only other thought would be that the size looks to be noticeably smaller that standard sugar bowls. The uranium example in my picture yesterday was a yellow colour, so possibly it might be Anagelb??
What other glass do you collect?? :)
I've now also looked at the Silber & Fleming catalogues (English text c. 1880), and can't see anywhere in those books designs for a small dish/bowl with recessed wide upturned foot - so we must assume that what we call the 'grapefruit' shape with this lipped under-dish design is very much a C20 invention. Certainly I think it is a shape that dates to the early 1930's, but whether it goes back further than that I'm not sure.
Note for bat............ there is a similarly shaped piece to yours in Dodsworth's 'BRITISH GLASS between the wars - page 50 - which is described as a 'sweet dish c. 1930', which probably equates to a desert dish. It's machine acid etched, as opposed to your cut example, but the shape is close, and it looks to be a piece from the 'Stratford Rings' service.
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Thanks Paul...not another book to get!!! ;)
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Here is mine, but I have got several types of desert dishes in old fashioned glass colours:
I don't really collect glass, but I buy things of which I think they are god and the price is € 1 or lower. (Sometimes I pay more)
The second picture shows on the right a VLG Wagenfeld vase, 20,5 cm high (€ 1), the one the left
may be also Wagenfeld (€ 0,75)
Sorry if I was to quick with Süssmuth, my dish is 10.5 cm high, 10 cm diameter.
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Ahhh yes Paul, my collection was sort of accidental too! ;) Here are some of mine - I'd forgotten they were already in my gallery: http://www.yobunny.org.uk/gallery1/thumbnails.php?album=9
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good selection Anne - and images always improved when catalogued and shown properly like yours. :) I must try and look for some more unusual colours etc.
You look to be paying some good prices drinkwater ;D - that old fashioned dark bottle-green is a great classical colour, although regret I know nothing of Wagenfeld - is this a recent/modern production?
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Am I very o.t.?
Here is a little bit about Wilhelm Wagenfeld:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Wagenfeld (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Wagenfeld)
But I remarked already, the great wide world out there, is not really interested in german design.
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Pirelli show one in 1959 catalogue described as a footed fruit bowl. Edinburgh Crystal in 1977 called them grapefruit.