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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Valsky on August 02, 2014, 02:33:10 PM
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Hi again All
I have recently bought a Lalique Tuileries pattern decanter which is missing it's stopper. I would like to sell this on and am just wondering whether I should replace the stopper or not. I cannot find an original Lalique replacement but could source one (matched but not Lalique) from a specialist for £35&VAT or have one made for £100&VAT. What is your advice / feeling on this?
Many thanks
Val
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Leave it up to your buyer to decide whether or not to get a stopper made, rather than go to the expense and trouble yourself. You might not recover the outlay!
You could provide the info about where to get it done, though.
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Thank you for this too! My thoughts exactly but, not having sold this type of glass before, I wanted to know what the market expectation may be. That's just what I'll do. Do you know how much the loss of the stopper may affect the price as it am feeling v unsure about the pricing?
The decanter is a later piece (1965-80, now discontinued).
Thanks again.
Vx
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Not my area at all, sorry. I'm not fabulously wealthy. ;)
Fingers crossed Mike M will pop in and give an intelligent comment, but values are very subjective.
The missing stopper might have a fairly drastic effect on price, I would think Lalique collectors are in an "echelon" where they want perfection, don't care about the actual cost, as it means little to them.
I'm not a seller - just a collector of studio glass, but enthusiastic and learning about all other kinds of glass.
My opinion is not particularly good when it comes to old, expensive stuff.
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Hi, did this actually have a stopper when made? It has the appearance of a carafe and I can see no evidence from the image that there is grinding or polishing within the neck of the decanter/carafe. Of course, that could just be my old eyes.
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Thank you. With a bit of research I've found that this was a decanter, rather than carafe, and it does have a polished area (though I had to look quite hard) where a smooth stopper should sit. Still v attractive without it though.
Vx
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Cool, I have a collection of old stoppers. If you find out what type it takes and approximate size then let us know through the board and I'll see if I can find you one.
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Wonderful - much appreciated. I'll get back to you with some more info. I've also just bought a job lot of stoppers that looked OK and am just waiting for those to come through in the post!
Vx
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Hi my Lalique master catalog, say's Decant # 15291 Tuileries was in 1981 $335.00 US Dollars. Also had a pitcher with a handle and glasses. It had a plain round ball shaped stopper. Remember it is 24% lead crystal and needs to fit the hole. It would take a pro to hand form it.
"echelon" ? That must be me. 85 pieces. 18 Rene Lalique and 67 Lalique, not too mention Pw's and art glass. Please help, LOL! I will try to scan the page later. Bob
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Gave up on the scanner and took it out in the sun with my camera. Any way here they are. Bob
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These are great. I had found one current listing on eBay (USA) with one image and also some reference pictures on a site which sources replacement Lalique pieces (also in the US). But these images give much better detail of the stopper... I've taken measurements and it looks like a need a fairly long stopper, approx. 9.5cm from top to bottom, with a stopper width of 2cm (circumference approx. 6.5cm). The width of the 'ball' needs to be approx. 5cm (which is the width of the lip). The stopper needs to have a smooth finish - I've taken some more pics of my decanter with a misfitting stopper (too small, slightly too big stopper but too small ball, rough finish not smoot) to give some more detail and to help me take the measurements. In one of the images you can also see the slight 'lip' within the neck which is where the stopper would sit snuggly and which, as you can see, is quite low in the neck - hence the need for a long stopper. Neil53 - if you have anything that would potentially match then I am v interested...
Thanks as always,
Vx
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Hi, happy to help if I can. Is the required stopper hollow or solid? I know I don't have one marked Lalique. Would the stopper be marked? I'll take a look this weekend and get back to you then.
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I can't find anything to say whether Lalique stoppers are marked but I'm not expecting to find one. There should be an air bubble in the stopper. I'll keep my fingers crossed! Am going to have limited access to my emails from Sunday for about a week so apologies in advance if I'm slow to respond to any messages. A good weekend all!
V
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Hi, I've been through my stoppers and I don't think I have what you need. I have four plain stoppers as shown in the image attached. The shortest is just over 9.5 cm and the longest is 11 cm. The two on the right have polished stoppers and the two on the left are ground. The diameters of the balls on the two smooth ones (which both have bubbles in the stopper) are only 3.7 cm and 3 cm. The diameters of the two pegs narrows from 2.5 cm wide to 2 cm. If any of them are of any use then I'm happy to send it to you but they all seem slightly wrong.
This may be a subject for a different stream but I'm thinking of setting up a bench at one of the glass fairs for people to bring in stopper-less decanters and stoppers without a home in the hope of establishing a match.
Neil
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Sorry, here is the picture
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Hello, v v sorry - but due to personal circumstances I've been away from glass messages since September... Just wanted to apologise as I never did get back to you.
Hope all is well.
V
PS - I think doing a stall of 'stoppers' is a wonderful idea! I keep coming across more and more traders with queries on how to find missing stoppers so the demand and need for knowledge is out there. xx