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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: brucebanner on August 04, 2014, 06:20:17 PM
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Hello there, this is a rather strange glass. it looks like a Georgian rummer, it very clear glass with little wear to the base a rough pontil with a wheel engraved scene of a house with a letter F on the top and and two trees either side.
It's thin glass and light weight.
It's 4 3/4 inches in height, 3 1/4 inches across the rim and 3 inches across the base.
I thinking it might be Victorian but that's just a guess.
Any help welcome regards Chris.
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The F is probably two pennants or banners and building looks Far Eastern. Cutting seems a bit crude too.
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There is another identical glass, it must have been part of a set, i just don't get a palm and fir it must mean something.
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Fir for immortality, Palm for peace.
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What do you think for an age Frank, second world war ?.
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No idea really, possibly older. Cancel that on closer look, I think it is partly sandblasted so likely more modern.
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Did the Victorians use sand blasting ?, i have seen lots of blasted glass, or at least i think that's what causes it?, normally mass produced Badon Powell type glass commemorative pieces and the like?
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Yes they did, from c1870, but did not get to be used (assumption) for this type of work until relatively modern times c. 1970 on.
It differs from wheel in that magnified you can see impact craters.
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Thanks for your help and the extra info.
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could be my eyesight going, but have to say that I'm not seeing any sandblasting - which shows itself, usually, by a very grainy effect.
To me this looks entirely produced by the wheel - but quite crudely done - apart from the two tiny polished lights (?) hanging from the building. :)
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I think frank is looking at the arches, here is a close up of them and a close up of a Victorian sand blasted glass, i've got a couple of similar glasses that i think are genuinely old and one a similar shape.
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Here is a shot of the base wear on my OP and the other glass i'm on about that i think is genuine and it's base wear.
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Paul we agree again. Copper wheel engraved, circa 1880-1925 and most probably German or Bohemian. We see a lot of spa and souvenir glasses in this style depicting wells, pagoda's or festival halls as souvenir from the Rhine trip or the spa visit.
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My friend thought the Flag was an F and maybe a masonic symbol of some sort?
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I think generally that pieces showing masonic emblems tend to be of a high quality when it comes to decoration, which was probably always wheel engraving - and very, very unlikely, they would ever have been decorated by sand blasting. :)
Probably the thinness of the glass is a pointer to a more modern production.
However, a good example of its type - and should be given a place in your collection - I certainly don't have one :)
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Modern sandblasting is smooth to the naked eye. Saves a lot of time on areas like the ground here. But as this is older it is less likely to have been done that way. Yet close ups of arches (I had thought they were wheel from first image) it seems they might be.
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I see no sandblasting only copper wheel techniques.
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Thank you for all the help guys.
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I think it is an Edwardian (early 20th century) Georgian-style reproduction rummer with Chinoiserie engraving. I have a wine glass with a facet cut stem which is not dissimilar - see attached.