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Title: Any Veiws on this Victorian Tumbler
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on May 31, 2006, 08:41:32 PM

Any views on this Tumbler please my own opinion is that is may be a hand blown tumbler made by Sowerby maybe from there Venetian series, its in a sowerby sea green colour and is not vaseline , does not glow at all, it stands 3.5 inches tall
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Title: Any Veiws on this Victorian Tumbler
Post by: Max on May 31, 2006, 11:49:22 PM

Firstly, let me say that I do not know!  But.  There's something vaguely Whitefriars 1800+ about this tumbler.  

It's a lovely piece IMHO and might be worth running by www.whitefriars.com.   I'm 99.9% sure it isn't WF, and probably it's just the age that makes me wonder.

Oh well...is a shot in the dark better than nothing? lol  :roll:

Title: Any Veiws on this Victorian Tumbler
Post by: Cathy B on June 01, 2006, 12:09:37 AM

No idea on who made it, but I have a technical question - how was it made? Blown with mould assistance?  Interesting how the spiral pattern on the base continues into the pontil scar.  My first guess was that  it was blown into the mould with a cup shaped punty, spun to smooth the seam scar, then transferred onto a rod at the base, top finished perhaps in the glory hole. But that doesn't work because it's a spiral and not circle grooves and therefore it couldn't be spun.

So, how'd they do it?

Cathy

Title: Any Veiws on this Victorian Tumbler
Post by: Cathy B on June 01, 2006, 12:13:54 AM

Hang on, was the pattern put on using some sort of lathe, and then removed using a rod attached at the base? - but wouldn't that mean glass everywhere? I'm stumped. Someone put me out of my misery, please :)

Title: Any Veiws on this Victorian Tumbler
Post by: Ivo on June 01, 2006, 06:02:41 AM

looks like they used a threading machine which puts it after the 1876 patent date.

Title: Any Veiws on this Victorian Tumbler
Post by: Cathy B on June 01, 2006, 06:33:46 AM

Thanks Ivo.  :D  Always learning!

Title: Any Veiws on this Victorian Tumbler
Post by: Max on June 01, 2006, 06:47:34 AM

Ivo's bang on - no surprise there!  :wink:  I've got my book out and I'm now thinking 1877-90.  It was blue opal this tumbler reminded me of.  

Nice to know I still operate with a bottle of wine inside me.   :wink:  :lol:

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Post by: vidrioguapo on June 01, 2006, 12:29:21 PM

Max suggested I have a look at this....but it is not familiar to me, although I will have a trawl through all my Whitefriars info a bit later on just in case. But it is worth putting on whitefriars.com because there are some experts there with a better knowledge of this early glass.  My so callled knowledge of W/F is more from 1940s onwards, and even then still make mistakes!!! Emmi

Title: Any Veiws on this Victorian Tumbler
Post by: Max on June 01, 2006, 12:41:41 PM

Cheers Emmi.  I did search on wf.com and found a blue opal tumbler the same shape, which was interesting.  I hope the initial poster takes your advice to post this there.

Title: Any Veiws on this Victorian Tumbler
Post by: mhgcgolfclub on June 02, 2006, 03:48:26 PM

Hi all
Thanks for all the interesting comments on the tumbler, I have taken your advice and listed it the Whitfriars.com site , will wait and see if any replys, the reason  ithought it may be Sowerby hand blown was it was 1 of 3 items that came from the same house , one was without doubt from there venetian hand made series and a cauldron  marked sowerby in the same green colour
roy