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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Trinket Sets => Topic started by: Anne E.B. on September 04, 2014, 02:12:25 PM
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Any ideas who might have made this please? Its quite lovely and well made. Unfortunately the labels are import labels just showing that it is 'foreign' (shown below), so not much help.
It might be French or Czech, but so far I've been unable to find a match. I don't think it is Val Saint Lambert, and I've had a look through glassmusterbuch.de without success.
Thanks for looking :)
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Hi Anne! I have a note in my ref files that this is thought to be Czech (no idea which maker though yet) and I also have a ref image of the same set which has the RD no. 876834 on it - as this is beyond the numbers included in the Blue Book and Great-Glass lists, we may need to ask if Paul would look it up for us on a future visit to the Nat. Archives at Kew. I'm assuming yours don't have the RD no on them?
Editing to add (after a mooch through the Nat. Archives catalogue) NA ref and date covered...
Reference: BT 52/7932
Registered Design Numbers: 876738-877038
Date: 1955 Mar-Apr
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Many thanks 't'other Anne :)
I've had a good look, but no RD no.
I'll keep looking to see if I can pin it down some. Please feel free to add the images to your website if they are of any use.
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Here is another set in the same pattern, this time with the addition of a pin dish.
I also have photos of a part set in the same pattern, also with a pin dish.
Neither of these sets had a registered design number.
Does anyone have photos to show of sets in this pattern flashed in amethyst, ruby or other colours, please?
Fred.
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Different designs flashed in amber or blue with 9 piece sets appear in 1930/32 Hill Ouston catalogues, I have some 50s ones too so might even find this set. Not reached them yet. Label looks a bit like the ones they used.
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better late than never, perhaps*:) happy
You will see from the Archive pix Anne that this set had the addition of a pin tray plus different sticks to those you are showing, and the main tray plus pin tray appear to be opaque, so perhaps ceramic rather than glass - think I've seen this before where prototypes are made in china or earthenware. The pattern on the original tray looks to have been on the underside only.
However, your pieces seem to match, pattern and colour wise, so assume the set was made with at least some variations in design.
There will be one additional picture on the next page.
Not sure why each shape within the set has been given a separate Rd. No. - perhaps that was the standard way of registering trinket sets.
Kew reference for the Representations Book is BT 52/7932, and the full Rd. Nos. are 876833, 34, 35 and 36 as shown in the pix.
Forgot completely to look in the Register Book to see details of the Registrant and date of Registration, although this will probably not give name of manufacturer, just the importer or U.K. agent - will look again for these details when next I visit.
anyway hope of some interest - surprised me to some extent that such sets were still being made in the mid 1950's.
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final picture showing pin tray.
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Paul, thank you, that is extremely useful, and if you could check the Register Book I should be most grateful. :)
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I have just found a reference picture I have of this tray and matching pin tray in plain clear glass (no flashing). It was an eBay sale ages back so I can't add the pic here. It had a non-matching pot and candlesticks (they are
Rosice I think. <--- corrected: they are Ernst Buder LINK (http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Ernst-Buder-1960.307+B6YmFja1BJRD0zMDcmcHJvZHVjdElEPTEyNzg3JnBpZF9wcm9kdWN0PTMwNyZkZXRhaWw9.0.html).)
I did wonder if the flashed set might be another of the Ernst Buder sets, as they certainly made flashed sets such as these and clear versions of the same. It's not shown in the catalogue I've seen though.
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A Czech origin does look to be likely - apparently these amber-coloured flashed parts are created by painting with silver nitrate and then heating, and there certainly were some Czech. sets like this one. Was Ernst Buder Czech do we know??
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German, Paul:
Ernst Buder Glashuttenwerk
Volpriehausen (Han.)
Germany
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Great sleuthing Paul (if there is such a word ;D). And 't'other Anne too ;)
I will look out for any future updates, and I need to look out for its matching pin tray ::)
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Forgot completely to look in the Register Book to see details of the Registrant and date of Registration, although this will probably not give name of manufacturer, just the importer or U.K. agent - will look again for these details when next I visit.
Paul, I've just added this to the look up topic please as you were going to check the registrant details for us please and see if we can pin this down. :)
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thanks Anne - have made a note for myself for the next visit.
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some more information from the Kew Archives, but don't think the name of Henry Dresel Ltd., is going to tell us what we really wanted to know - which is details of the maker.
Despite the written description stating that this was a British company, the name Dresel sounds possibly more Continental in origin, and they may well have been agents/wholesalers/importers only, but with connections to small manufacturers in Czechoslovakia, Germany etc.
Presume this must have been a reasonably successful design as there appear to have been two five year extensions for the Registration, ending finally in 1965.
Hope of interest.
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Thank you Paul, this is useful to know. Henry Dresel was an importer, and he used FJ Cleveland as his agent in some design applications, e.g. http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,21523.msg298923.html#msg298923 (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,21523.msg298923.html#msg298923)
I think there is an awful lot more info to be unearthed about importers and who they bought stock from... ;D
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Great research Paul!
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Well done Paul!
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:) - gosh I feel flattered utterly with all this adulation. I had intended to be at Kew tomorrow - collecting data on Henry Greener that I seem to have overlooked in the past ............. but busy in other directions now, so visit will be postponed until tomorrow week.
If anyone has a particular request for details of specific Registrations, let me know before then.
Where have you been all this time Jayne :-*
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You are a credit to this board Paul! Where have I been? Umm just riding the roller coaster of life really, still acquiring dressing table sets and other bits of glass, I hope you and your good lady wife are well. :)
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good to hear from you Jane, and glad you're still collecting those trinket sets. With that vast collection of yours, we're hoping to have some contributions from you in the very near future - am sure you must have lots to share with us :)
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I've spotted what looks to be the same design of set on eBay for sale in Florida USA, with a Phönix Glashüttenwerk label.
It's a 3 piece Perfume set, with Atomiser, Cologne Bottle and Trinket/Powder Pot in pale yellow amber flashed/overlaid design.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-3-Piece-Glass-Perfume-Cologne-Powder-Trinket-Jar-Dresser-Set-WH-14/173898656462?autorefresh=true
Also this set was imported, exported and soley distributed by Henry Dresel as advertised in 1958.
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,67975.0.html
And here is another thread on the same Mystery trinket Set 94
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,57763.0.html
Just posted this on another thread then modified after finding this thread, Phönix Glashüttenwerk now looks to be a good contender as the manufacturer.
Link to GTS Mystery Set 94;
https://www.glasstrinketsets.com/Gallery/thumbnails.php?album=99
Link to Atomiser thread;
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,69698.0.html