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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: MatW on October 07, 2014, 09:47:49 AM
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Hi,
I have bought this goblet and try to find out where it comes from and how old it is. It reminds me a bit of things from France, could that be the origin? And could it be 19th century? It is 16 cm high and has considerable wear on the bottom. It is made of lead glass. Any help is as always much appreciated!
Mat :)
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you have a very lovely green cut to clear cut glass goblet. I think it is very reasonable to suppose that it is 19th c. - probably 3d/4th quarter. one possible maker is the Belgian firm val st lambert, a glass maker known for their colorful cut to clear designs. this glass is one of the nicer ones I have seen on the board.
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This specific green colour makes me think more of Baccarat...and the model 'Harcourt'...
http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Baccarat.136+B6YmFja1BJRD0xMzYmcHJvZHVjdElEPTYxMDMmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9MTM2JmRldGFpbD0_.0.html
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the Harcourt goblet resembles but is distinctly different than the one presented by matw, especially in the foot. the former has a faceted and slightly lobed foot whereas matw's is round and has a starburst under foot. there are other subtle differences as well.
however, this catalog does allow me to redate the goblet to early 20th century. I had assumed late 19th century because of the 2 part construction of the bowl and stem, a practice which I thought was obsolete by the early 20th c. however, this example proves otherwise. so I would place it c. 1890-1910.
it doesn't look like the Harcourt line is cut to clear or overlay, but that does not mean that the glass cannot be baccarat. my main point is that the general form could be found from other makers as it was rather popular - especially the sliced cuts.
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Thank you for your replies! I had also looked for Val St. Lambert, Baccarat and St. Louis, but could not find an exact match! This specific green however I saw mostly on items by Val St. Lambert. Seems like it will be difficult to find the maker...
Regards,
Mat
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many times precise identification is elusive and we have to humbly admit that we just don't know. color comparison is certainly a good tool. regardless of who made it, it is a delightful goblet.
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I honestly think this glass to be French rather than Belgian...I know one's never seen everything, but I've never seen a 'cut to clear' foot base over here at VSL.... I do realize that catalogues show registered designs, and we all use them as references, but when it came to private and special orders, everything was possible, it worked like that at VSL and I guess it was like that a bit everywhere... and for the colour... this spinachy green is more Baccarat to me than anything else... but maybe I'm wrong... time will tell...