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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: Lustrousstone on October 07, 2014, 08:37:45 PM
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I don't know what to think about this with its pretty pastel flowers and green frothy "pot". Shiny polished base but not overly round. Nice clear glass but with striations. Just over 3 in. diameter and 2.25 in high. Czech?
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It's a very nice Frank Eisner weight, see the sticky link above.
Nick
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Hi. Nick is spot on about maker (Frank Eisner, at Vasart). These can have four flowers of different colours, but sometimes two or more are of similar colour. I have had a few with the colour burned out so the edges are very dark. I think green is the commonest ground colour.
Alan
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Wow, thank you. Unfortunately most of the pics of Eisner weights seem to have disappeared from the board. Until recently, it hadn't moved very far because the lovely Sue found it for me in Perth or Dundee or nearby by.
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Hi. Here is an image of another one, for the Board record.
Alan
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Thanks Alan.
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I thought there was a certain "something" about it, and that it was your "cup of tea", I didn't expect that illustrious an identification though. 8)
Yay... I was not dumping rubbish on you!
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Alan said:
(Frank Eisner, at Vasart)
There is very little confirmed evidence of where Frank Eisner worked (or made weights in his later years), but I am reasonably sure that "Vasart" was not one of the companies.
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Hi Kev.
I am sure you are correct.. I was extending the comment (I think from Dave Moir) that Frank Eisner worked at Moncrieff, and that he was mates with Jack Allen. That is not the same as working with him, of course.
Alan
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Does anybody have any idea what sort of date for Lustrousstone's weight?
Or would it be best just to say Eisner; or Eisner at Moncrieff; or what?
:)
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It is hard to be sure about dates for Eisner weights.
The information about him working at Moncrieff's in the 1930s came from good sources but there is also conflicting information. Some people suggest that most of the Eisner "flower weights" were probably made (as "friggers" - and using the Monax glass) in the 1960s at the Moncrieff works, at the time his son Eric was a chemist at the works.
See also my next post ...
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And just to expand a little further ...
Another reference suggests "Vasart", but actually states "Moncrieff" in the text!! This is in Bob Hall's Scottish Paperweights book, in "Chapter 4 - Ysart Brothers Glass, Vasart 1946-1956". Four weights are shown, three of which are fairly typical "Eisner 4-flower on green ground". The other weight is a 3-flower version over a "blobbed" coloured (mainly red and white) ground.
The text states that the weights were made by "Frank Eisner at the Moncrieff's works in the 1930s". So on that basis alone, they should not be in the chapter on "Vasart".
Also, the 3-flower example shown in the book is one that I have personally handled and it has engraved details to the base including "Waterford 1950". The weight and its engraved details are very much like an example I have, also stating "Waterford 1950".
At the time of finalizing the book, I am sure Bob did his best to get latest information into print, but unfortunately the details for the Eisner weights ended up in the wrong place and with some inaccurate detail.
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Thank you for your accurate (with appropriate caveats) and detailed summary of all the conflicting information.
I don't think we can ask for anything more than that, Kev. ;D
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So basically Frank Eisner, somewhere in the British Isles a long while ago ;D
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Yeah ... that'll do! :)
Edited to add ... about the "Waterford" weights ... 1950 was, of course, prior to the restart of Waterford Crystal. So, "somewhere in the Waterford area" is about as close as we can get for those examples.