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Title: Henry Greener sugar bowl RD 247081, 10 November 1870 – ‘Friedrich’ variant?
Post by: agincourt17 on October 09, 2014, 07:24:58 PM

Jenny Thompson (page 14) has Henry Greener’s design registration number 247081, registered on 10 November 1870 – Parcel 11, described as ‘sugar basin (Friedrich)’.

Sugar basins bearing the corresponding registry date lozenge are usually found as commemorative pieces bearing the inscription ‘Friedrich Wilhelm’ around the top. There is also a matching commemorative creamer.

(After Slack, page 95): In 1858, Fredreick III, King of Prussia, had married the Princess Royal of Britain, eldest daughter of Queen Victoria. At the outbreak of the Franco-Prussian War in 1870, Frederick, as Crown Prince, commanded the Prussian army, and during the ensuing campaign he scored many victories culminating in the defeat of Napoleon III at Sedan. This commemorative sugar basin was produced in recognition of Frederick’s successes.

Here though, are some photos of a sugar basin bearing the lozenge for 10 November 1870 – Parcel 11 that has the same shape, bowl border, stem, and foot shape as the ‘Friedrich’ sugar basin, but has a completely different embossed pattern to the exterior of the bowl.( basically a horizontal central band of stylised leaves bordered and linked with narrow decorative scrolls, against a  clear plain background).

(Permission for the re-use of these images on the GMB granted by hailsash).

I suspect that, after the wain of Frederick’s popularity, the sales of the commemorative sugar basin declined radically and, rather than simply scrapping the mould as redundant, Greener thought it was a better economic proposition to modify the mould exterior (or make a new mould exterior) with a changed embossed decorative pattern for the bowl exterior but produced using the plunger still bearing the lozenge for 10 November 1870.

Does anyone have photos of a creamer to match this ‘non-Friedrich’ sugar basin, please, or, indeed, any other ‘non-Friedrich’ shapes with the same lozenge, please?

By the way, there are several other examples of early Henry Greener pieces where a plunger with a particular lozenge was used to produce pieces with the same shape as the original registered design but with different exterior decoration.

Fred.

Title: Re: Henry Greener sugar bowl RD 247081, 10 November 1870 – ‘Friedrich’ variant?
Post by: thewingedsphinx on March 02, 2018, 11:36:49 AM

Hi Fred
Just looking on here "which I try and make a habit of" before I list on eBay, and low and behold find your request. Attached photos of the creamer and sugar. They will appear on eBay over the weekend for more pictures.
Cheers Mike

These were in another box of surplus from my folks collection.

Title: Re: Henry Greener sugar bowl RD 247081, 10 November 1870 – ‘Friedrich’ variant?
Post by: agincourt17 on March 02, 2018, 03:25:06 PM

Fantastic, Mike. Thank you for your follow-up.

I will try and check eBay for this over the weekend.

Fred.

Title: Re: Henry Greener sugar bowl RD 247081, 10 November 1870 – ‘Friedrich’ variant?
Post by: thewingedsphinx on March 02, 2018, 08:01:48 PM

Hi Fred
See attached
Regards Mike

Title: Re: Henry Greener sugar bowl RD 247081, 10 November 1870 – ‘Friedrich’ variant?
Post by: agincourt17 on March 02, 2018, 10:29:04 PM

Thanks, Mike.

Will deal with the pics tomorrow and add them to the GMB RD database in due course.

Fred.