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Title: I purchased this but got the Id wrong
Post by: WhatHo! on November 15, 2014, 04:52:39 PM
Hi Guys, I bought this thinking I had scored myself a Whitefriars Wuidart piece in Sanctuary Blue but its not. The colour isn't right and its got a clear foot, any ideas? Lead crystal with polished pontil, Cheers Wolfie

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WHITEFRIARS-RIBBED-VASE-ART-GLASS-/271643640209
Title: Re: I purchased this but got the Id wrong
Post by: brucebanner on November 15, 2014, 05:18:51 PM
I've got something similar in a Golden Honey colour it's got a polished pontil and a lot of base wear looks a lot like yours. thought it was 30's in date.

6 1/2 inches in height.
Title: Re: I purchased this but got the Id wrong
Post by: keith on November 15, 2014, 07:11:53 PM
Also in green and a blue variation with clear star cut base.... ;D
Title: Re: I purchased this but got the Id wrong
Post by: chriscooper on November 15, 2014, 08:07:17 PM
Always thought we assumed the clear footed ones were Stevens & Williams Wolf ?
Title: Re: I purchased this but got the Id wrong
Post by: WhatHo! on November 16, 2014, 01:24:47 AM
Indeed Chris, and was my thoughts but hadn't seen S&W quite as this :)
Title: Re: I purchased this but got the Id wrong
Post by: Bernard C on November 16, 2014, 09:02:42 AM
I've just acquired a S&W blue and green Rainbow.   Looks to me like the same optic mould and the same blue.   I should have it with me on Sunday if you want to compare them.

Bernard C.  8)
Title: Re: I purchased this but got the Id wrong
Post by: WhatHo! on November 16, 2014, 11:44:33 AM
I would say the Gold and Green ones above are Whitefriars Wuidart pieces. P7 here http://www.whitefriarsorg.co.uk/wuidart.php
My blue one has an interesting feature, trapped between the foot and the base are 2 perfectly circular rings (bubbles). This maybe a tooling mark and could be present on other examples?
Title: Re: I purchased this but got the Id wrong
Post by: WhatHo! on November 18, 2014, 06:33:06 PM
Does anybody else think this is S&W or someone else?
Title: Re: I purchased this but got the Id wrong
Post by: flying free on November 18, 2014, 08:15:50 PM
just a question - do any of those shown fit the height size given in the catalogue pages?

edited to add
 and the Stevens and Williams 'rainbow' and one ribbed vase I've seen don't appear to be the same shape to me.  I've not found one with a foot and also they are more barrel shaped and have a smaller aperture on the rim it seems - but admittedly very difficult looking at photos that may not be from the same angle.
Perhaps they both supplied.  Perhaps some of those shown are Whitefriars and some are Stevens and Williams or a.n.other ?
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Title: Re: I purchased this but got the Id wrong
Post by: keith on November 18, 2014, 08:57:10 PM
It's not a shape I've seen by S&W's either, these are my optic ribbed S&W's....
Title: Re: I purchased this but got the Id wrong
Post by: chriscooper on November 18, 2014, 09:52:37 PM
What size is the middle one Keith looks very much like Whitefriars too ?
Title: Re: I purchased this but got the Id wrong
Post by: brucebanner on November 18, 2014, 09:57:25 PM
This post is totally confusing. Which is what and what is which.   ???
Title: Re: I purchased this but got the Id wrong
Post by: keith on November 19, 2014, 01:54:52 PM
The middle one is 8 inches the top one 10.5 the rainbow 6 inches, ;D
Title: Re: I purchased this but got the Id wrong
Post by: chriscooper on November 20, 2014, 12:35:01 AM
The very similar 9094 Keith

Title: Re: I purchased this but got the Id wrong
Post by: keith on November 20, 2014, 01:30:32 PM
Mmm, thanks Chris, is the WF's site still running must have a look if so, ;D
Title: Re: I purchased this but got the Id wrong
Post by: keith on November 20, 2014, 11:39:02 PM
Had a look and it does seem very similar but does the amount of 'ribs' vary on WF's pieces as the one in the catalogue has 6 and mine 3, ::) ;D I've just noticed yours has three so I presume that answers my own question, ::) ::)
Title: Re: I purchased this but got the Id wrong
Post by: chriscooper on November 20, 2014, 11:45:06 PM
The ones in the cats are mostly line drawings in real life they only have 3 or 4 ribs even the big ones

Chris
Title: Re: I purchased this but got the Id wrong
Post by: Bernard C on November 21, 2014, 10:31:33 AM
Here are two matching S&W Rainbows.   Both have four images on GlassGallery, two views, through the base, and pontil finish.   Click to enlarge each main image, click thumbnail to change image.
  • Egg shaped vase, h. 8Ľ" 21cm, maximum d. 7" 17.5cm, w. 3lb 14Ľoz 1776g, via http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-15317
  • Tall bucket shaped vase, height 9˝" 23.8cm, weight 3lb 15˝oz 1808g, via http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-20899
    • There may be a correlation between height and weight which is fairly constant for any one glassmaker, and could help attribute mystery examples.   I think it unlikely to be linear (height to the power of 1) or cubic (height to the power of 3), but could be square (height to the power of 2) or a mixture of linear and square, where weight equals A times height2 plus B times height plus constant C.

    If you would like to try this, please would you provide accurate height and weight for each of the examples shown.   It doesn't matter whether you use imperial or metric or mix them — we can do any conversions.   Use the system that you know best.   Again, with fractions and decimals, use whatever you are happiest with.

    Bernard C.  8)

    ps — No.2 is the one I referred to earlier in this topic.   I will be bringing it on Sunday should anyone wish to do a comparison.
    Title: Re: I purchased this but got the Id wrong
    Post by: keith on November 22, 2014, 03:10:24 PM
    Chris, you do realise that I've had to rearrange the shelf display now !  ::) ;D ;D ;D