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Title: Who could have made this?
Post by: duffers on December 04, 2014, 10:01:29 AM

I'm hoping someone may be able to help me identify this vase and maker. The vase is 8" tall and over a kilo in weight, I feel it should be a good maker but am a total novice so please be gentle!  I hope the link to the pictures works as I've been unable to upload the pics direct as they are too large and I have no idea how to make them smaller

http://jpegbay.com/manager/#folder=0&filter_by=&start=0&limit=21&sort=created&dir=DESC&f=0&g=4058446

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Who could have made this?
Post by: duffers on December 04, 2014, 12:13:09 PM
Maybe this time!!
Title: Re: Who could have made this?
Post by: Paul S. on December 04, 2014, 07:00:19 PM
hello - welcome to the GMB :)

sorry - can't help remotely with id/attribution, but................
occurs to me to wonder if the type of vegetation (if we knew what it is) could give some sort of clue as to origin.

The style of decoration looks to be imitating acid cut back  -  i.e. where the pattern in relief appears shiny, and the frosted background appears lower  -  however, it's possible this example has been made in a mould.           In much older pieces, the non-patterned areas of the glass would have had prolonged exposure to acid to create the reduced height of the frosted area.

hope someone is able to help you, but in the meantime if possible please post a picture of the underside of the base  -  this can sometimes provide information about the method of manufacture  -  for example it may help to indicate age by the presence, or otherwise, of wear.
Title: Re: Who could have made this?
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 04, 2014, 07:05:17 PM
As to the "vegetation", it looks very, very, very like a cat which originally featured on a Lautrec poster to me.

Maybe I'm just slightly baised towards cats, Paul?  ;)  :P  ;D

Welcome to the gmb, duffers.  :)
Title: Re: Who could have made this?
Post by: Paul S. on December 04, 2014, 07:12:54 PM
well, cats are cosmopolitan as we know, and may not be very truthful about their origins - I was referring to the flora rather than the fauna. :P  ;D
Title: Re: Who could have made this?
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 04, 2014, 07:27:55 PM
I did wonder if he might possibly be a "chat francaise"?

http://cheltenhamvintageretro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/toulouse-lautrec-chat-noir.jpg
(duffers, Paul and I tend to tease each other a bit - don't worry!)
Title: Re: Who could have made this?
Post by: duffers on December 04, 2014, 07:32:57 PM
Many thanks both!

I will try to get some pics up of the base and one in natural light as the colour is lighter in reality. I'm struggling to get the photos below the 125KB limit!

The flora may well hold the clue to the origin, the fauna reminded me of the Louis Wain cats although perhaps Lautrecs' may have been less manic in their looks!   :)

Please bear with me while I battle with the IT!
Title: Re: Who could have made this?
Post by: duffers on December 04, 2014, 07:35:39 PM
Success?!
Title: Re: Who could have made this?
Post by: duffers on December 04, 2014, 07:37:41 PM
I will eventually get to grips with this!!!
Title: Re: Who could have made this?
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 04, 2014, 08:04:15 PM
 :)

There are loads of techie tips here.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/board,22.0.html

you need to find the right tips for the system you're using though.
Thanks for persevering - it helps us lots if the images are posted directly to the board as it keeps each thread nicely illustrated with its attribution (when we get there - we don't give up here!) for our records.

You can put up to 4 images on each posting - just click on the bit under the box for adding things which reads "more attachments".
You can also edit your post for up to an hour after you have posted it, click on the word "Modify" to do that.

I hadn't thought of Louis Wain, there was something smug and evil about the grin that took me straight to Lautrec. Wain is more naughty than evil. I do love his work. >^oo^<.

I'm not too sure about your flora - could it be wisteria?
Title: Re: Who could have made this?
Post by: duffers on December 04, 2014, 08:20:32 PM
Thanks, I'll have a look at the tech link. I'll try to remember the "modify" bit!  I think I've cracked getting the photos down in size.......we shall see.

It could be Wisteria, or maybe Cherry, what do you think?

Title: Re: Who could have made this?
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 04, 2014, 08:52:37 PM
Cherry leaves are a pointed oval shape, those are heart-shaped leaves (bindweed sort of ones - very often used on glass, presumably because of their interesting shape).
I'm not very good at plants, I'm afraid, but we do have a few folk here who are. :)

Puss looks a lot more cheerful and a lot less sinister in your later image.

The surface inbetween the cat and the vegetation looks very like a corroso finish - that's a very heavily acid treated way of doing things - but again, not an area I know much about at all.


I think we need more opinions! ;D
Title: Re: Who could have made this?
Post by: Paul S. on December 04, 2014, 08:55:42 PM
looking at the latest image it may be that I was wrong about which is in relief and which is lower.     
It now appears that the decorative images of flora and fauna are in fact lower than the frosted parts  -  am I correct? :)
Title: Re: Who could have made this?
Post by: duffers on December 04, 2014, 09:37:21 PM
Paul, you were correct initially, the clear is raised, the frosted lower, taking good photos of glass is harder than I thought!   

Chopin-Liszt, I think perhaps we do need a green fingered friend to get to the root (sorry) of the tree problem. I'm off to look up "corroso"  :)

Thank you both for taking such an interest, I really appreciate your help.
Title: Re: Who could have made this?
Post by: duffers on December 10, 2014, 02:12:24 PM
I have managed to get hold of a UV torch and the vase glows green so I'm guessing it's uranium, does this help anyone to narrow down who may have made this?   :)
Title: Re: Who could have made this?
Post by: chopin-liszt on December 10, 2014, 04:35:04 PM
 :)
How bright is the green?
Does it "take over" in a zingy way or is it a duller, more diffuse sort of colour?
Title: Re: Who could have made this?
Post by: duffers on December 10, 2014, 06:00:40 PM
Thankfully it doesn't glow to the point I feel the need to evacuate!  :)  More, like you say, a diffused green. I've tried to take a picture to illustrate, hope it helps.