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Title: Continental glsss
Post by: Antwerp1954 on January 23, 2015, 04:48:29 PM

I've just bought this in an auction. The auction house describe it as Continental 18th century. My best guess is Saxony c.1750. Does anyone agree or have other thoughts? Any idea on the monogram?

Title: Re: Continental glsss
Post by: flying free on January 23, 2015, 10:49:14 PM

is it maybe a Spanish crown?
m

Title: Re: Continental glsss
Post by: Paul S. on January 24, 2015, 08:39:34 AM

it appears to show an H followed by reversed interlocking Cs finishing with another H............    but it's perfectly symmetrical whichever way it's viewed.............   so not really sure what it represents :-\

Title: Re: Continental glsss
Post by: oldglassman on January 24, 2015, 09:47:43 AM

Hi ,
             it could be F or S   C H

cheers ,
         Peter.

Title: Re: Continental glsss
Post by: Antwerp1954 on January 24, 2015, 11:02:46 AM

Thanks Peter. I used some tracing paper and copied out only half of the monogram and it's more like H then F orT, followed by C. As I believe it is Saxon c. 1750 this might be Herzog (Duke) Frederick Christian who was Elector of Saxony for a few months in 1763 but who lived from 1722-63. The crown is not that of the elector, I believe, but perhaps a ducal crown.

Title: Re: Continental glsss
Post by: MatW on January 24, 2015, 12:11:21 PM

Hi, the crown lools to me more like a "Grafenkrone", the crown of a count.
Mat

Title: Re: Continental glsss
Post by: pamela on January 24, 2015, 04:30:52 PM

Not sure about the F, but in "French Script MT" I see H F G H

 :-\

Title: Re: Continental glsss
Post by: Antwerp1954 on January 27, 2015, 11:14:25 AM

The crown, as suggested by MatW, is indeed that of a lower nobleman. I'm convinced the glass dates from 1730-50 and made in Saxony. As to the initials, Dr Fischer Auktionshaus, reckon they are JGH. Any ideas who?

Title: Re: Continental glsss
Post by: MatW on January 27, 2015, 01:03:00 PM

I think it will be difficult to find out who is behind the monogram, as there were many, many lower noblemen. However, the only "Graf" with the initials JGH I could find doing quick search is Johann Georg Heinrich von Werthern (1735-1790). His familys castle was in Beichlingen in Thuringia, which is next to Saxony. ( http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Georg_Heinrich_von_Werthern ) I could not find his monogram anywhere, and I have no idea how you could confirm if it is him or not.
Mat

Title: Re: Continental glsss
Post by: Antwerp1954 on January 27, 2015, 07:15:49 PM

Mat, many thanks. Where did you go to find that potential candidate. What if it was FGH?

Title: Re: Continental glsss
Post by: MatW on January 27, 2015, 08:17:33 PM

I went to google  :). I think it was just luck that I found that one. If it is FGH, then one would have to search for some nobleman that had these initials ( I cannot find one, but sure someone existed ), but In my eyes the reading "JGH" is the correct one.