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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on February 01, 2015, 02:43:32 PM
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shape is probably typical of 1930 - 50 period, and fairly sure it's nothing to do with either Nazeing or Walsh Pompeian - otherwise no idea, although bubbled decor not uncommon around that time so might be any number of factories. Quite thickly cased in clear towards the foot with colour deepening a little towards the top and bottom.
Reasonable amount of wear and quite large quality ground/polish pontil depression. Height is about 7" (180 mm) and fairly heavy for its size.
Grateful if anyone has ideas of attribution, and thanks for looking :)
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just a 'first look comment' but have you checked Stevens and Williams shapes Paul?
m
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thanks m.... to be honest it doesn't, in my opinion, have the quality I would have thought of as being S.&W., but to be honest I know almost nothing about their bubbly glass.
As you'll know from CH's '20th Century Glass', there's quite a variety of origins for streaky and bubbly wares - mostly from the 20's and 30's - and all I can say is that if pushed to offer a suggestion I might have gone with Haden Mullet or Arculus, perhaps. But really no idea.
The polished pontil depression and clear casing do however suggest some quality and age.
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The shape reminded me of a rainbow shape but on closer inspection it might be a little too flared. And the shape of the foot in profile in your pic also looks too flared by comparison to 'rainbow'. Although wracking my brains that profile of foot does remind me of a pale blue crackly vase I have that is the same as those urn shaped crackle vases often muted as S& W but with no definite id iirc.
On the other hand ... the bubbles and the way they are spread remind me of those in my cloudy vase (which is cloudy and bubbly and is S&W), the foot reminded me of this one from Keith, which is possibly S&W as it seems to match your green version on that thread, and which is the same shape as my S&W pink cloudy with bubbles.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,41369.msg288681.html#msg288681
And the pontil mark is right for Stevens and Williams. So I guess my mind just automatically saw Stevens and Williams :)
Is it quite heavy?
I'll have a look in the book at the two you've mentioned.
btw I guess you've seen this one which was sold as John Walsh Walsh? presumably Pompeian as it seems to match the picture here (sorry I've not had time to double check books for it)
http://www.antiques-atlas.com/antique/john_walsh_walsh_art_deco_bubble_vase/as296a176
but your vase looks slimmer towards the foot and not quite the same shape and thicker glass
http://www.glass.co.nz/johnwalshwalsh.htm
Paul, also see this thread - the purple in this one does look different to that of your vase. Yours looks a bit darker (reminds me of Richardson purple :) )
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Might be that the 'shape' in photo is affected by parallax error, as I have found in images I've taken recently. ie. the image of item doesn't look like the item 'in hand' due to camera being at close range.
just a thought, possibly wrong due to sleep deprivation error.
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thanks for the replies -- looks as though I might have been hasty in dismissing Pompeian - is Pompeian clear cased? - I should know but now can't remember......... my pieces have all been give away.
This one does look to be a very close match for the shape of the top left example on page 46 of Eric Reynolds book, and a couple of the pieces in m's link - I think it was the bubbles that distracted me originally.
The pontil depression certainly is good quality - so looks as though id could possibly be Walsh Pompeian.
Yes, Misha, my pix did distort the shape - I'd not realized by how much........ in the flesh this is less broad across the top than it appears in my first picture. :)
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Paul could you post a straight side on pic showing the profile please so it can compare to the Walsh Pompeian.
Thanks
edited to add later - just occurred to me to check, I thought only pink Pompeian was cased? The others in the picture seem to also be uncased?
Ah, Bernard says here not cased if I read it correctly - which would mean not Pompeian
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,167.msg599.html#msg599
m
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Hi,I posted one on your colours of WEbb glass thread Paul and I seem to remember it being id'd as Walsh .
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http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,56272.msg319096.html#msg319096
this is Bat's post of his vase id'd as Walsh.
It does look remarkably similar to yours Paul.
I think a check of whether Pompeian was cased (other than the pink) needs to be had just in case.
The Glass of John Walsh Walsh shows an array of Pompeian on page 46 and the amethyst is not cased.
However, the pink vase version shown appears to have similar casing effect to that on Paul's amethyst vase. It still looks to be a different shape in profile though (based on comparison to current pics in this thread so far)
m
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I'd agree m - it does look very much like bat's, which it seems I had no trouble iding at the time - obviously losing my touch :-[
Even the appearance of rings of sorts on the underside of the foot are similar to bat's, so guess we have this one nailed.
Would seem that Pompeian can be both clear cased and without casing, plus colours are not quite as scientifically repeatable, so some variation always possible. Another picture attached as requested.
big thanks to yourself, Misha and bat for helping.
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Paul, what is the reference for Walsh being cased or uncased please? I thought from what I read (think that was a 2004 thread) that only the pink was cased.
Ah, there seems to have been an updated comment regarding the amethyst possibly being cased here (2006)
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,7773.msg65502.html#msg65502
where Pat shows another one of these in the same shape and casing ... or maybe it is Bat or Paul's vase in an earlier thread :) But no definite conclusion on that thread.
m
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regret I don't know m. I've had uranium green before, also a very nice blue grapefruit - neither of which were cased - I think my blue grapefruit is the only piece I still have.
It does appear though that this purple/amethyst can be cased.
Colour does appear to be variable - that large bowl shaped piece in the middle of Reynolds page 46 looks to be a lot darker than mine, or bats.
Perhaps certain shapes only were cased.