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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: flying free on February 02, 2015, 03:20:15 PM
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Green over clear, a kind of blueish green that reminds me of a Harrach piece.
9cm tall, nicely made with the decoration on the flower and leaves all raised off the surface i.e. higher than the surface background of the petals and leaves (should be able to see in close ups in second post below). Lovely finish on the decoration and the background ... is it fire-polished?
Artist has left a ragged green layer around the rim in the style of Daum.
Has two handles slightly iridescent ish (been advised not a French or Daum shape or colour)
Small polished pontil mark which is perfectly smooth but not perfectly round in shape, the base is 'dished'.
Remains of green layer showing in the base.
The vase has a blown or fire polished rim.
I believe original Art Nouveau period piece and not recent.
Have researched to the nth degree - can anyone help please?
Thanks for looking :)
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More pics of close ups
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;D Perhaps it's the perspex plinth, but) it looks as if it belongs in a museum...
You haven't been on night raids, have you?
It shrieks quality. Maybe something such as Muller Freres? It looks very French, to me.
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Sue, I meant to come back and say thank you but think life got in the way at that point :) I did have a good look at Muller Freres though and it was a great lead but couldn't find a match.
I have just however come across this (sorry about the long link - yikes I hope that work)
Vallerysthal, Vase Maronniers. It has something in common with my vase I think especially the clear background which I think is acid treated in the same way as mine and also the small overlay left around the rim. It's tiny at 11cm. Mine is 9cm. This one is dated to around 1895.
Link to quittenbaum.de item (http://catalog.quittenbaum.de/index.php?_function=objectDetail&for_shop=false&Datensatz_ID=42561&Objekt_ID=42561&Language=ger&iFoundObjects=1&positonInList=1&listRedirect=index.php%3F_function%3Dexpert_search%26amp%3BLanguage%3Dger%26amp%3B_start%3D0%26amp%3BObj_Hersteller%3DVallerysthal%26amp%3BStandort_ID_Auktion%3DM_072%26amp%3BLanguage%3Dger%26amp%3BObj_Kuenstler%3D%26amp%3BObj_Kuenstler_Hersteller%3DVallerysthal%26amp%3B%26amp%3BkindOfListView%3DpicView%26amp%3BPHPSESSID%3Dqrecr2bpcko0np4b698aih5hv2%23Object42561&PHPSESSID=qrecr2bpcko0np4b698aih5hv2)
Mine also has much in common with a miniature Galle vase produced around that time (I think - I've seen another one on Chasen Antiques but unfortunately their site is down for maintenance at the moment.)
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/VASE-MINIATURE-VERRE-PATE-DE-VERRE-SIGNE-GALLE-/121741390497?hash=item1c585a32a1
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Just adding this small tumbler from Chasen Antiques as a reference since the style or design of the tendrils appears to have similarities to mine:
http://www.chasenantiques.com/product-view.php?p=470
http://www.chasenantiques.com/images/products/original_470_1.jpg
here with signature showing
http://jamesdjulia.com/item/lot-566ao-signed-galle-miniature-tumbler-67854/
And this is a signed Legras version, also a miniature with handles and acid cut back with flowers on, signature gilded on base
https://www.rubylane.com/item/325771-GCE1512/Legras-St-Denis-French-Cameo-Glass
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I have discovered a vase that is enamelled and signed Webb Corbett that also uses this acid cameo background.
No idea how big it is though as despite it being thousands to buy, the seller hasn't listed the size :-X
Anyway, it appears they used this background for at least one vase.
I have also found it used on another English makers piece dating to a similar period.
There 'might' be a connection between that other English maker and Webb Corbett. I have evidence of a possible connection.
The handles of this little vase remind me of something the other maker has made.
Long shot - probably not either the other English maker nor Webb Corbett given the style but I've just added the information just in case.
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makers maker's
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;D
Not makers' apostrophes to have to add to those belonging to the grocer?
Thanks for reporting all your extra research! :-*
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no, one maker only and referring to that maker's piece :) :)
I'm just adding it in case I forget - pretty sure it is nothing to do with Webb Corbett at all.
But I thought interesting to find a piece from them with this acid etched background.
There are at least two other pieces that may have some link with them and also have this background.
But all are very large - none miniature.
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Corrections to misused or missed apostrophes should be forgotten if a post has been untouched for more than an hour. Otherwise I cannot resist finding the original mistake and wondering why I missed it first time around. ;D
I am even worse with the misuse of apostrophes in plurals such as "photo's" ... I have to work hard at not editing them whenever they appear.
Somebody please report this post and ask me to delete myself.
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;D Kev -
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More power to your moderating elbow I say. ;D
John
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just adding this lovely vase ;D for future reference
http://www.auctions-fischer.de/uploads/pics/6480-1.jpg
http://www.auctions-fischer.de/presse/vorberichte/zwiesel-ein-mekka-fuer-uns-glassammler.html
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Again, just adding a vase that appears to use a similar technique around the neckline and is also a floral cameo - unfortunately it's hard to tell from the photo if the technique is the same. The range is pretty well documented though, they appear to be larger in style and none have the same flower. Still,just in case :
https://pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2011-4w-vejrostova-reich-1940.pdf
S. Reich & Co. / ČMS - c. 1940s
Abb. 2012-1/16-02
Vase mit geätzten Zweigen und Blättern
Sammlung Moravská galerie v Brne
vgl. Vase Prod.Nr. 41/460 ATEL 128, 41/460 ATEL 137
vgl. Vase Prod.Nr. 41/460 ATEL 173, 41/460 ATEL 125
MB S. Reich & Co. / ČMS 1940-er Jahre
Kollektionen ATEL und ANTIK, Vasen, Schalen, Teller
Archiv Moravská galerie v Brne
PK Abb. 2003-2/103 und PK Abb. 2003-2/104
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Scottish Antiques has three miniature cameo vases here, one by Galle - the orange one.
But what is interesting is what they say in the description (see my bold):
'Heading : Three miniature cameo glass vases
Date : Early 20th century
Origin : The orange example is Galle
Colour : Polychrome
Pontil : Polished
Glass Type : Mixed
Size : Tallest 8.5cm
Condition : Excellent, no chips or cracks
Restoration : None
Weight : 238 grams
The example with monochrome orange leaves is Galle. The smallest example with painted landscape is signed Swan. The second cameo glass example has been signed EH, this may be an apprentice piece. It is very unusual for cameo glass miniatures to be signed by a major manufactory. The Musee des Beux Arts in Nancy has a large collection of miniatures, very few bear Galle or Daum cameo signatures.'
My vase has a polished pontil mark and is 9cm tall.
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On another thread I've been asking about the name Jules Mabut and wondering if the vases seen on the net with that marked on the base were made by Montjoye.
I've come across quite a few examples that seem to be the same green as my vase,but have green as the base colour rather than, as mine is, green over clear. They are mostly marked Montjoye. The type of background effect on the base glass is the same as that on my little vase.
Here is one example:
Close up link-
https://assets.catawiki.nl/assets/2018/11/14/c/0/2/c02585eb-5fab-45e6-b6c6-093b6957b8de.jpg
Full listing link-
https://www.catawiki.com/l/22348225-legras-mont-joye-saint-denis-jugendstil-cameo-vase-mit-mohn-um-1900-glass-object-vase
This is another example of Legras cameo two colour that also has a very similar background:
https://www.catawiki.com/l/39487385?utm_campaign=ArtNouveau&ArtDeco-COM=&utm_content=Lotart&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=coop
The only thing is, the way the cameo is cut on all those examples is very different. The leaves and petals on mine are more intricately/delicately cut with raised edges on the cameo etc, rather than it just being a 'flat' layer cut around design.
I do think my vase is French. It has a very large polished pontil mark that reaches almost to the edges of the base of the vase.
Any thoughts or ideas gratefully received.
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Just happened upon this and adding for future reference and research:
Loetz by Adolf Beckert DEK 226
1909-1910
It's dark blue over a pink ground - the ground is similar to my vase
https://www.loetz.com/decors-a-z/dek/dekor-dek/dek-226-clematis
https://www.loetz.com/decors-a-z/dek/image?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=4397
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Some similarities with this one, however mine has a large polished pontil mark on the base and can't see if that one does, but also I think the cutting is different on mine as there appears to be more depth with edges showing and veins on the petals etc.
https://sammlung.mak.at/sammlung_online?id=collect-41288
Entstehung / Datierung:
Entwurf: K. k. Fachschule für Glasindustrie <Haida>, vor 1905
Manufaktur: Böhmische Manufaktur, Nový Bor / Haida, vor 1905
There is also this one, however again this one is signed on the base:
https://sammlung.mak.at/sammlung_online?id=collect-41289
Entstehung / Datierung:
Entwurf: K. k. Fachschule für Glasindustrie <Haida>, vor 1905
Manufaktur: Böhmische Manufaktur, Nový Bor / Haida, vor 1905
Maßangaben:
Durchmesser: 4.3 cm
Durchmesser: 3.4 cm
Durchmesser: 3.5 cm
Höhe: 12.9 cm
Gewicht: 64 g
Inventarnummer: WI 533
Provenienz: Schenkung / Donation (1905)
Signatur (Unterseite): K. K. FACHSCH- FH verschlungen in einem Rechteck HAIDA.
Mine for comparison:
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=59117.0;attach=169518;image
I think there are definite similarities with both.
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Maybe Degué (David Gueron) is a possibility for this? I think aspects of the design on yours can be seen in the examples in my link...but not all on the same item.
https://leverreetlecristal.wordpress.com/2014/01/16/degue-david-gueron-signature-dun-artiste-verrier-des-annees-1930/
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Thanks so much Ekimp for keeping an eye out. I'll have good look through everything I can find on Guerron later on. Much appreciated.
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