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Title: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on February 10, 2015, 10:21:51 AM
I bought this on ebay France , it's 4 inches tall and 5 inches (approx) in diameter. It has three Chinese characters applied . Where the trail of clear glass tapers to a point towards the base, on all three characters, the ends have been cut off or chipped off but at roughly the same point. Each end has a sharp edge. I think this might be damage , you can also see a faint line extending from the cut-off end where the trail of glass  continued....once  >:(   ??  Thanks for looking  :)   First photo taken with flash .

Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 10, 2015, 12:02:39 PM
I'm afraid it is damaged - as are most of these bowls. There seems to be a serious weakness about the ends of those trails, finding a bowl with them intact is unusual.
All 4 of mine are damaged in this way, it's just something I put up with.
Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on February 10, 2015, 12:58:32 PM
Oh well that is a shame , I remember I saw one of these bowls, years ago, in a charity shop , this was before I knew anything about Mdina. It too was damaged in the same way so I didn't buy it . Next to it , on the same shelf was a 'Zig-Zag' vase (page 39 Mark Hill's book) , I looked at that and thought ' someone learning to blow glass there...' ...so I didn't buy that either .....Ahhhhh !! :'(

I can live with the damage ...still looks good . Thanks for the info. Sue , it should help other buyers . Ta Mike.
Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 10, 2015, 01:01:46 PM
It is a bit of a pain, but I can live with it. :)
It's better than not having one at all.
Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on February 10, 2015, 01:12:50 PM
Yes they are lovely , I didn't pay too much for it but the postage costs bumped it up a bit , it was listed as pate de verre !
Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 10, 2015, 01:18:58 PM
good grief,  ::) and from France too!
Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: Lustrousstone on February 10, 2015, 01:20:15 PM
Everything in France is pate de verre if it doesn't obviously come from a factory
Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on February 10, 2015, 01:21:59 PM
Mais oui , I've seen other Mdina glass listed in the same way on ebay France  8)
Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: Greg. on February 10, 2015, 01:36:46 PM
All of mine have also had the same minor loss to the end of (some or all) the trailed characters Mike, quite a job to find one which is completely perfect I would think!
Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: Lustrousstone on February 10, 2015, 02:00:49 PM
It's common on lots of glass with such trailing offs. I have it on Victorian bits and on my Loetz chicken glasses
Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on February 10, 2015, 02:18:12 PM
Thanks Greg & Christine ,

There are some great  ones here......

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,13910.msg96801.html#msg96801

Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: Greg. on February 10, 2015, 02:31:30 PM
There's quite a lot of variation in some of these Chinese bowls, here's a favourite of mine.....
Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on February 10, 2015, 02:34:58 PM
That's just the bees-knees  ;) Looks to be an early one !
Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 10, 2015, 02:38:18 PM
my favourite.
Although I've not seen Greg's before, which also appears to have cobalt in it, and is bubbly and looks a bit like a precursor to "Seaward" produced at IoWSG, and I think I might like it even more than mine. Pook.  :P
Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: Greg. on February 10, 2015, 02:39:08 PM
Thanks :) - I use to have quite a few of these, although had to cut back, it was in danger of becoming a problem  :)

Sue that's looking distinctly cobalt like if my eyes don't deceive me ?
Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 10, 2015, 02:52:35 PM
It is indeed. A whole load of cobalt in the final casing. A great thick piece of glass, nearly 1".
I got it very early on, and was not expecting it to be particularly special - the photos were dreadful.
My joy, when I opened the parcel and found this, was unbounded. ;D
Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on February 10, 2015, 02:55:39 PM
They are superb ... ! Is there a way of dating these, I guess the really early ones had  cobalt ?
Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 10, 2015, 03:14:19 PM
Given the number of them around, I don't think they were confined to "Harris-period", but the current state of "knowledge" is that there was only one pot of cobalt ever melted, so all those bits containing cobalt would be contemporary with each other, and that was at some point when MH was still there.

Any further information about this "one pot of cobalt melted" has not been forthcoming, and I don't know if it has been in any way officially confirmed.
Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on February 10, 2015, 03:35:10 PM
Thanks Sue,

I haven't ever seen any cobalt in any Mdina glass and have been looking now for quite a few years, there must be some truth in the one cobalt pot story  . Never, ever seen another 'zig-zag' either ....must get some counseling over that one   ???  ;)
Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 10, 2015, 03:39:33 PM
I don't even know how much (in terms of volume) cobalt got melted.
I think John and I have a fair amount of it, between us...  ;D

I have been mentally trying to add it up, but not getting very far.   ::)
Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: Baked_Beans on February 10, 2015, 04:04:32 PM
Well , it's easier to find a Whitefriars Boffo elephant than it is to find a piece of Mdina with cobalt in it, if my glass hunting exploits are a yardstick  ::)  Didn't buy the elephant either 'cus I didn't know what it was (plus it was chipped)......just off to my quack !!  :D  ??? 
Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: flying free on February 17, 2015, 11:37:26 AM
Sue, haven't you been keeping the definitive list of the cobalt?  I thought you were  :(

There's a kind of list from here down on this thread
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,53678.msg304758.html#msg304758

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Title: Re: Mdina Chinese bowl with characters....is it damaged ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 17, 2015, 12:28:23 PM
Theoretically... ;)
I have added another comment, about other bits, but cannot answer your questions.
In fact, I've raised more. :P