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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on February 10, 2015, 10:45:44 AM
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others might already know this particular shape, but it's new to me - don't get the feeling that Stuart did much in the way of plates in comparison with other shapes.
In Benson & Hayhurst 'Art Deco To Post Modernism', this cut design appears to have been not uncommon from the mid 1930's to early 1950's, and may have had its origins earlier still in a design from L. Kny. These authors suggest that the border design is known locally as the 'Waterford Pattern' - it may be that this 'locally' was intended to indicate the Stuart factory area, but I'm unsure.
As with most (if not all) pieces with this design, this one is marked Stuart England.
Examples with this pattern are seen in a variety of shapes, although this plate doesn't appear in the above booklet, however bowls, footed salvers, comports and vases are shown.
The 12" shallow bowl is quite an impressive piece, and I've had both that size and the slightly smaller one at 10.5" - the larger one is shown in the attached picture.
Thought I'd post a picture of this oval plate as it doesn't appear in the booklet, and might be of interest to collectors who may not be aware of this shape. The longest dimension is about 11" (280 mm).
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See wine glasses in this pattern here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,59680.0.html
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thanks Anne for adding David's comments about Waterford pattern on his glasses - my thoughts are that this is possibly an uncommon pattern on drinking glasses.
After I'd written the first part here, I noticed that Andy McConnell had added a smallish entry on this Waterford pattern in his Miller's volume - 'MILLER'S 20TH-CENTURY GLASS' - 2006 page 237... which I'd overlooked, so will put that right now.......
With due thanks and acknowledgment to Andy McConnell as the author of the following, the book text reads - and is accompanied by - pix of a lidded powder pot and vase.........
"Mould-blown Waterford pattern powder pot (26393) and vase (25894). Powder pot: 10.5 cm (4in). Some examples are signed Kny. The theme of Kny's Waterford pattern was derived from the 18th-century repertoire, but not that of the Waterford Glassworks (1783 - 1851). It originated in Bohemia c.1760 and was adopted by English cutters c.1770 - 85. The romantic fiction that Ireland was a major producer of Georgian glass cutting originated from Elizabeth Graydon-Stannus, and Anglo-Irish glass dealer, whose book, Irish Glass, 1921, rewrote the subject to her own sef-interest. As with other Stuart patterns, shapes were added to the range throughout the 1930's."
So it seems quite a complex history associated with this pattern/name. Unfortunately, the book doesn't show any drinking glasses with this pattern.
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Very interesting info from Mc Connell. I've always wondered what the origin was. I should get my act together and post some photos. Besides the goblets from the other post, I have also wine glasses and a liqueur glass. I've had champagne glasses as well. Also two decanters- one quite unique in style and the other just like the bulbous Georgian/Victorian (someone correct me) shape that Stuart put out. One of my favourite pieces is a tall cylindrical lidded jar presumably for the table., and of course, the ubiquitous candlesticks.
I have also seen for sale a large squashed oval fruit bowl and a large centrpiece vase. Most frustratingly , I bought a bowl just like the one Paul photographed just recently and it was lost in the post! !!!!
It seems it may only have been manufactured during a brief period but it all seems to be of great quality.
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just to add another shape to this Stuart 'Waterford' range - an atomiser from this morning's boot sale - something like 4.5/8" (118 mm) tall.
We know there was a powder pot, so perhaps possible the factory also made a full trinket set with under tray.
This piece does have the 'Stuart ENGLAND' backstamp, and in view of the chrome hardware may well date to pre 1940.
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Shown as pattern no. 29233 - see Ross's Stuart catalogue here:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-15757
A bit of sideways thinking when you added the atomiser helped me find it in the catalogue, Paul. Previously I had assumed the plate was tableware but it isn't, it's a dressing table tray! Catalogue shows the plate/tray. a pin dish and the atomiser. :)
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thanks for the link and the sleuthing Anne ...... however, looking at that catalogue page think I'm seeing a difference in the pattern of cutting below the midriff of my atomiser, compared to the catalogue example. On mine there is an horizontal row of joined up mitres running around the bottle... but the catalogue piece shows a pattern of vertical mitres, similar to the pattern on the underplate.
Would imagine the horizontal pattern on mine easier to cut than the standard catalogue design :)
apologies that these horizontal mitres on mine not too easy to see. Do we know the date of this particular Stuart catalogue page?
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c.1964 it says, Paul. :)
I see what you mean about the cutting below... the cat. image has cuts that match those in the centre of the tray, whereas yours doesn't seem to have those... I wonder why... more sleuthing needed!
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thanks Anne ........... I suspect that some of the information from this thread - my original post and pic of the plate, which is a trinket tray and not a plate it seems, plus yesterday's atomiser - should in truth now be in the Trinket section. You may wish to re-locate these perhaps, some time. :)
If you require duplicate pix, or whatever, let me know.
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Ta Paul, I will leave it here for now as we may find it was also used as a plate in the way things have dual uses.... We can add a trinket set topic in due course, but I would like pics for the GTS site please. :)