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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: vanmann on February 10, 2015, 06:21:01 PM
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Having looked at hundreds of images of vases I am hoping someone may recognise this vase. 12 cms tall x 13 cms diameter at rim. Bird bath (?) base. Very clear colour.
All thoughts and suggestions much appreciated
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Hi,
Im sure these are Czech, the bird bath pontil indicates Czech, as well as the design. I have one of these in the Blue colour. Lovely art deco piece.
Regards.
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this may well be a Czechoslvakian design/manufacture, I have no idea one way or the other, but will have a look on the Sklo Union CD tomorrow, unless someone pips me to it. :)
However, the base of this one isn't what I'd call a bird bath i.e. not deep enough to my eyes, and since it's presumably a piece of pressed glass then we shouldn't use the word pontil. :)
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Paul,
Regarding the pontil, a bird bath pontil is used when the base of a piece takes on the appearance of a deep dish, i;e anything that holds water, which in this case will hold water. Even though its a mould, a pontil will always relate to the base of a piece.
Regards.
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Hi and welcome to the board MPB911, I hope you find it interesting and informative, and look forward to sharing your glass queries and comments. :)
As I understand it, a pontil mark only relates to an item which has been attached to a pontil rod, which is used when an item is free blown or mould blown. For a piece like this, which appears to be press-moulded there is no pontil mark. We have an interesting topic here: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,945.0.html which has contributions from both a retired pressed-glass maker and a working blown-glassmaker, which you might find of interest.
It's not technically correct to say that a bird bath base indicates Czech manufacture, as such bases are found on glass made outside Czechoslovakia / Czech Republic, and I tend to agree with Paul that this doesn't appear deep enough to be a bird bath base though it's not easy to tell from the photo.
John, Germany might be a possible, have you browsed Pamela's museum site? http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/index2.html
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I had already looked on Pamela's 'pressglas-pavillon' but wasn't aware of seeing it. However, there is what is a possible match on page 22 of Rosice - Glassexport on the Sklo Union CD catalogue.
This is catalogue No. 2365 which is described as 12.5 cms. tall, and for which there is a flower support also shown........... don't know if there are any lugs in the vase or whether the support simply rests against the walls of the vase. I think the drawing is slightly stylized when it comes to the design - doesn't quite match the precise detail on the actual vase, but that wouldn't be unusual for hand drawn patterns.
Don't think I'm allowed to reproduce the image from the catalogue, so grateful if someone will check this for me - always possible that I've got the wrong end of the stick :)
Meant to ask John if this one glowed - looks as though it might.
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Thanks for your replies,
Anne I find Pamela's site my "go-to"site for all initial ID queries, it is a mine of information, but unfortunately could find nothing similar.
Paul, I am attaching a new photo, it actually glows a deeper green than it appears in the (poor) photo.
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Paul, I'm not sure about the Rosice vase being a match either, although it is very similar. I can't tell if the bottom part of John's is the same - the cat. image seems to show one band at the base but I can't tell from John's pics if his vase has one or two bands. John, can we have a straight side-on view under normal lighting please as that might help some more. The size is a near enough match though. Oh and does yours have lugs for a frog to sit in?
Paul, the answer re the catalogue images is they are subject to copyright on the CD so we cannot use them, sorry.
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thanks Anne - I agree there is some quite small lack of design detail in the catalogue drawing, but on balance it is a very close match - I think I'm tempted to go with Rosice as a match :) The overall size - the apparent reversed direction of the pattern in the segments - the flaring etc., just a shame we don't have a support with this one, but then they do often go missing.
It looks to be uranium, but not giving much of a glow.
Lets hope that a good straight side-on pic will clinch it.
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Am attaching a few new photos to see if they help including a new one of base which gives better indication of depth.
On further inspection there are tiny support lugs on alternate uprights.
Thanks for all the interest, John
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Anne,
Your absolutely right, but in My world i always call the base of glass a Pontil, moulded or not!!!
Although a birds bath pontil doesnt always indicate a Czech design as You say many other glass houses used birds bath pontils, in My opinion its a very strong indication that its a Czech piece.
I have of course been wrong!!!